Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Bidding war, bidding war!!!

For what they are willing to pay Payton, yes. For what they are willing to give the Saints for his rights, no. It takes more than one party to bid. Payton decides the one team he wants to go to.

Once again, here's how Nick Underhill explains it.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 01:08 PM

There's also a decent chance that Payton decides he doesn't want any of the openings. In an interview a few days back he said, "Everyone’s asking about that city, or quarterback. I think it’s more about ownership and front office. There’s no utopia — all these teams, they’re all moving on for reasons. And some of them, you’ve got to be careful that it’s not just the coach, that there are problems that run deeper. For me, it would be ownership and front office."

When asked about his odds of returning to the FOX studio in 2023 on a scale of one to ten, Payton responded “Seven,” with a straight face. So he’s more likely to stay in the studio than return to a sideline. That might be hard to believe, and it’s probably a leverage play to help him (and maybe the Saints) out in negotiations, but it goes to show that he has enjoyed a turn in the media as much as he expected.

shawnkytonk · 01-12-2023, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The Saints hold more than a veto card, they have the upper hand. The Saints are in a position to openly auction his rights to any team that will bid and they can decide to narrow Sean's pool if they choose to. The Saints have the power to way "we don't care who you want, you get to chose from only AFC teams". If Sean doesn't like that, he has to wait it out.

Furthermore, if they choose not to trade him they are not getting nothing. Sitting on Sean Payton for a year delays any exodus of coaches that might leave to follow him. Delays any players that enter free-agency from being available to him. Delays facing him in regular season or playoffs. Delays a lot of press drama. They get a lot of peace of mind.

No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Couldn't agree more, shawnky.

shawnkytonk · 01-12-2023, 01:23 PM

And don’t get me wrong, I’d more than love for it to play out like some of are expecting and will gladly eat crow if it does. I’m just not prone to wearing rose colored glasses…..that is all.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

We ain't gonna get what we deserve. Prepare for low expectations.

As our esteemed site owner said himself earlier in this thread.

Papa Voodoo · 01-12-2023, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There's also a decent chance that Payton decides he doesn't want any of the openings. In an interview a few days back he said, "Everyone’s asking about that city, or quarterback. I think it’s more about ownership and front office. There’s no utopia — all these teams, they’re all moving on for reasons. And some of them, you’ve got to be careful that it’s not just the coach, that there are problems that run deeper. For me, it would be ownership and front office."

When asked about his odds of returning to the FOX studio in 2023 on a scale of one to ten, Payton responded “Seven,” with a straight face. So he’s more likely to stay in the studio than return to a sideline. That might be hard to believe, and it’s probably a leverage play to help him (and maybe the Saints) out in negotiations, but it goes to show that he has enjoyed a turn in the media as much as he expected.

There goes the Texans for sure.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

And don’t get me wrong, I’d more than love for it to play out like some of are expecting and will gladly eat crow if it does. I’m just not prone to wearing rose colored glasses…..that is all.

Same here, shawnky. I'd absolutely love it if we made a killing in draft capital and I live in rose colored glasses, but the Saints do not have the leverage that some people believe in this case. I can already see the posts slamming the Saints for accepting "too little" for Payton's rights.

TheOak · 01-12-2023, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

What part of what I said is a wish? Read it carefully, there is no optimism or pessimism, just an outlay of options and consequences.

shawnkytonk · 01-12-2023, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

What part of that is a wish? Read it carefully, there is no optimism or pessimism, just an outlay of options and consequences.

And nothing of fact which is wishful thinking on your part.

01-12-2023, 12:47 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by dizzle88 Bidding war, bidding war!!! For what they are willing to pay Payton, yes. For what they are willing to give the Saints for his rights, no. It takes more than one party to bid. Payton decides the one team he wants to go to. Once again, here's how Nick Underhill explains it. Twitter

01-12-2023, 01:08 PM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton There's also a decent chance that Payton decides he doesn't want any of the openings. In an interview a few days back he said, "Everyone’s asking about that city, or quarterback. I think it’s more about ownership and front office. There’s no utopia — all these teams, they’re all moving on for reasons. And some of them, you’ve got to be careful that it’s not just the coach, that there are problems that run deeper. For me, it would be ownership and front office." When asked about his odds of returning to the FOX studio in 2023 on a scale of one to ten, Payton responded “Seven,” with a straight face. So he’s more likely to stay in the studio than return to a sideline. That might be hard to believe, and it’s probably a leverage play to help him (and maybe the Saints) out in negotiations, but it goes to show that he has enjoyed a turn in the media as much as he expected.
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01-12-2023, 01:09 PM	#33
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by TheOak The Saints hold more than a veto card, they have the upper hand. The Saints are in a position to openly auction his rights to any team that will bid and they can decide to narrow Sean's pool if they choose to. The Saints have the power to way "we don't care who you want, you get to chose from only AFC teams". If Sean doesn't like that, he has to wait it out. Furthermore, if they choose not to trade him they are not getting nothing. Sitting on Sean Payton for a year delays any exodus of coaches that might leave to follow him. Delays any players that enter free-agency from being available to him. Delays facing him in regular season or playoffs. Delays a lot of press drama. They get a lot of peace of mind. No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-12-2023, 01:13 PM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by shawnkytonk No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed. Couldn't agree more, shawnky.

01-12-2023, 01:23 PM	#35
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton And don’t get me wrong, I’d more than love for it to play out like some of are expecting and will gladly eat crow if it does. I’m just not prone to wearing rose colored glasses…..that is all.

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01-12-2023, 01:24 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by Halo We ain't gonna get what we deserve. Prepare for low expectations. As our esteemed site owner said himself earlier in this thread.

01-12-2023, 01:28 PM	#37
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There's also a decent chance that Payton decides he doesn't want any of the openings. In an interview a few days back he said, "Everyone’s asking about that city, or quarterback. I think it’s more about ownership and front office. There’s no utopia — all these teams, they’re all moving on for reasons. And some of them, you’ve got to be careful that it’s not just the coach, that there are problems that run deeper. For me, it would be ownership and front office." When asked about his odds of returning to the FOX studio in 2023 on a scale of one to ten, Payton responded “Seven,” with a straight face. So he’s more likely to stay in the studio than return to a sideline. That might be hard to believe, and it’s probably a leverage play to help him (and maybe the Saints) out in negotiations, but it goes to show that he has enjoyed a turn in the media as much as he expected. There goes the Texans for sure.

01-12-2023, 01:29 PM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by shawnkytonk And don’t get me wrong, I’d more than love for it to play out like some of are expecting and will gladly eat crow if it does. I’m just not prone to wearing rose colored glasses…..that is all. Same here, shawnky. I'd absolutely love it if we made a killing in draft capital and I live in rose colored glasses, but the Saints do not have the leverage that some people believe in this case. I can already see the posts slamming the Saints for accepting "too little" for Payton's rights.

01-12-2023, 01:50 PM	#39
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by shawnkytonk No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed. What part of what I said is a wish? Read it carefully, there is no optimism or pessimism, just an outlay of options and consequences.

01-12-2023, 01:54 PM	#40
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by TheOak What part of that is a wish? Read it carefully, there is no optimism or pessimism, just an outlay of options and consequences. And nothing of fact which is wishful thinking on your part.