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Rugby Saint II 02-22-2023 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970142)
Those checks have already been written, Rugs. The cap maneuvering is just accounting for the money already paid to the player. It all makes no difference to the owner. Every team is required to pay a certain percentage of revenues to the players. She isn't paying a penny more than any other average NFL owner.
The thing is though, if you're writing those checks to players who are no longer on the team then how do you afford to bring in new players?

AsylumGuido 02-23-2023 11:52 AM
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Cam Jordan, Lattimore, and Demario Davis should be among the next wave.


The New Orleans Saints took a couple of important steps towards reaching salary cap compliance on Thursday, restructuring their deal with standout right tackle Ryan Ramczyk while agreeing to bring back struggling kicker Wil Lutz on a pay cut. These two moves saved a combined $11.8 million in salary cap space, leaving New Orleans over the 2023 salary cap by about $35.5 million.

Not bad considering they were over the cap by more than $58 million just a few weeks ago, and they haven’t lost a single player. With free agency on the horizon in March, it’s vital that the Saints continue to set up their books to keep their best talent in town and prepare for new additions. So what comes next?

AsylumGuido 02-24-2023 09:04 AM
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Obvious choice here.

Rugby Saint II 02-26-2023 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970263)
He had a slow start but the Honey Badger played well when he got comfortable in the system. I'm worried that Marcus Maye will be suspended next season and that is one of the areas where we have problems. I do worry about the lack of depth behind Tyrann Mathieu and Marcus Maye. We don't have any idea what Smoke Monday has to offer yet.

AsylumGuido 02-26-2023 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970342)
He had a slow start but the Honey Badger played well when he got comfortable in the system. I'm worried that Marcus Maye will be suspended next season and that is one of the areas where we have problems. I do worry about the lack of depth behind Tyrann Mathieu and Marcus Maye. We don't have any idea what Smoke Monday has to offer yet.
If Maye does get suspended precedent would put it at two games. No biggie.

Rugby Saint II 02-27-2023 07:32 AM
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Let's see. If Marcus Maye misses two games and Alvin Kamara misses six games, then that's a total of eight games missed because of suspensions next year. Apparently, we need better depth just to cover for our players on suspension. I'm not complaining. Just saying this is an issue.

K Major 02-27-2023 10:03 AM
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Draft another safety while you're at it.

The Saint's best players (DD, Cam, HB, MT) are a year OLDER. It's time to start the youth movement.

Take your lumps in 2023.

Rugby Saint II 02-27-2023 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970365)
Draft another safety while you're at it.

The Saint's best players (DD, Cam, HB, MT) are a year OLDER. It's time to start the youth movement.

Take your lumps in 2023.
If they had fired Dennis Allen this year that would be the correct move. But since he is trying to save his job he will do whatever he can to win this season.

AsylumGuido 02-27-2023 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970366)
If they had fired Dennis Allen this year that would be the correct move. But since he is trying to save his job he will do whatever he can to win this season.
Look at it this way. They are far more in tune with what's going on with the organization than any fan by a tremendous margin. If they felt like keeping Dennis Allen and Pete Carmichael was the best move I fully trust them more than i would trust anyone looking at it from the outside with no inside knowledge.

But I guess that's just me Rugs. I know what I don't know so I trust those who do. As K_Major used to say, and I'll turn it a bit, I'm not even a couch GM so what would I know?

Rugby Saint II 02-28-2023 04:04 PM
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I've seen plenty of losing organizations who were in tune with the players and ultimately failed. It all starts at the top with Dennis Allen. I was very hesitant about Dennis Allen as the head coach when he was hired and I might have been right initially.

rezburna 02-28-2023 06:45 PM
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All these teams are using our conversion strategy.

WW_Who_Dat 02-28-2023 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970375)
Look at it this way. They are far more in tune with what's going on with the organization than any fan by a tremendous margin. If they felt like keeping Dennis Allen and Pete Carmichael was the best move I fully trust them more than i would trust anyone looking at it from the outside with no inside knowledge.

But I guess that's just me Rugs. I know what I don't know so I trust those who do. As K_Major used to say, and I'll turn it a bit, I'm not even a couch GM so what would I know?
Unknown Unknowns.

SmashMouth 03-02-2023 10:51 PM
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AsylumGuido 03-04-2023 05:03 PM
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There's another $12.724 million cleared on the cap with Demario Davis and Taysom Hill restructures!

AsylumGuido 03-04-2023 05:29 PM
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AsylumGuido 03-04-2023 05:47 PM
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Too easy.

Rugby Saint II 03-07-2023 09:17 AM
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Salary cap? What salary cap are we talking about? 2030? Certainly not this year or next year.

SmashMouth 03-07-2023 10:12 AM
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AsylumGuido 03-07-2023 12:19 PM
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Amen to that.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2023 10:59 AM
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I don't blame Nick here. I don't know if some people simply cannot comprehend or if they refuse to comprehend.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2023 11:08 AM
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AsylumGuido 03-09-2023 08:35 AM
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Welcome to the new world of cap management pioneered by Loomis and Harley.

Rugby Saint II 03-09-2023 10:52 AM
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We are trend setters. Next thing you know other teams will have bounties. :roll:

halloween 65 03-09-2023 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971044)
We are trend setters. Next thing you know other teams will have bounties. :roll:
It's still kicking cans down the road. If a team has spent near their cap limit and someone gets hurt it becomes hard to bring in a good player because we don't have the money. Not to mention no reason for doing it if we're just going to win at mid level or below.

Rugby Saint II 03-09-2023 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 971048)
It's still kicking cans down the road. If a team has spent near their cap limit and someone gets hurt it becomes hard to bring in a good player because we don't have the money. Not to mention no reason for doing it if we're just going to win at mid level or below.
The system obviously has drawbacks like paying $20 million to players who are no longer on the roster at the end of their contracts. Khai Harley's accounting system seems to be the new normal in the NFL as more teams are adopting the accounting method. I'm still surprised that Godhell didn't stop us from taking "unfair advantage" of the rest of the NFL and "nip it in the bud" early on though.

AsylumGuido 03-09-2023 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971051)
The system obviously has drawbacks like paying $20 million to players who are no longer on the roster at the end of their contracts. Khai Harley's accounting system seems to be the new normal in the NFL as more teams are adopting the accounting method. I'm still surprised that Godhell didn't stop us from taking "unfair advantage" of the rest of the NFL and "nip it in the bud" early on though.
We've been using this formula for the past decade and a half and over that period we've accumulated one of the very best won loss records in the entire NFL. There's a reason why more and more teams are switching to this proven method.

AsylumGuido 03-09-2023 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971044)
We are trend setters. Next thing you know other teams will have bounties. :roll:
They all had defensive performance pools run by the players. It was as common as pain meds in the NFL.

AsylumGuido 03-10-2023 09:26 AM
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More Loomis/Harley style accounting. Welcome to the new world of NFL cap management.

Rugby Saint II 03-10-2023 09:35 AM
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Great! More teams in cap Hell like us. just kidding....mostly.:rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 03-10-2023 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971104)
Great! More teams in cap Hell like us. just kidding....mostly.:rolleyes:
Yeah, I know you're kidding, but it's becoming clear to more and more teams that the best way to maximize the value of cap dollars is to account for them in later periods when they make up a smaller percentage of the overall cap. Ten years ago it was just the Saints doing this. Now it's half the league.

As a cap geek I think it's cool. :cool:

BakoSaint 03-10-2023 10:02 AM
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Cap conversions are a useful tool but the best way to utilize them is not on a year to year survival basis digging out of massive cap debt ahead of the start of every league year like we do. The biggest problem with our strategy is that is means you don't have the money to undo a big mistake in free agency. If you sign a total dud to a megadeal and quickly realize its a mistake, its important to have the cap room to take a $20-40 million cap hit now to save $50-80 million cap in the long run. You also get a lot more comp picks and trade picks if all your contracts don't end with voidable years that make both comp picks and franchise tags impossible.

The way to use cap conversions is not just to forever be funding 2023 team on 2024 cap dollar and so on. The way to use them is in moderation and with timing. So maybe you do a cap conversion to bring in a franchise changing player widely considered top 5 at their position. Or to free up money to take the cap hit to get rid of a big mistake. Denver might have cap conversions in its future if Wilson has to be cut in a couple years. But best of all, if you didn't need cap conversions the previous year, and haven't already spent 2023's money in 2022, you can spend BOTH 2023's money and 2024's money disproprionately in 2023 if you feel this is your window, and you can field a super team while you are in that window.

We are not timing windows. We are not fielding super teams. We are living paycheck to paycheck at the payday loan. And as a result, we can't cut bad contracts, we roll with 25% dead money and more than that in Andrus Peat style zombie money on our roster every year, we don't get many comp picks even when we lose lots of stars, and we could not apply the franchise tag in many cases if we wanted to, yet we have to compete with super teams that used cap conversion more selectively to maximize their talent a couple years during a key window and were willing to rebuild when that window was closed so they could be fielding super teams again in a couple years with a young affordable QB.

AsylumGuido 03-10-2023 11:39 AM
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Here's the alternative to the Loomis/Harley brand of cap management. Enjoy the misery Titans fans.

Rugby Saint II 03-10-2023 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971124)
Here's the alternative to the Loomis/Harley brand of cap management. Enjoy the misery Titans fans.

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/s...33960107737088
I was a Houston Oiler fan when they went to Tennessee and liked them under Jeff Fisher well enough to pull for them when I lived in Chattanooga. Jeff Fisher just retired from the USFL two months before the start of this season and is being replaced by former NFL coach Mike Nolan for anyone who is interested in trivia.

saintsfan1976 03-12-2023 07:38 AM
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25MM to go

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...ints/cap/2023/

Rugby Saint II 03-12-2023 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971205)
Pocket change for Khai Harley. The rest is off the books soon. :biglaser:

AsylumGuido 03-13-2023 11:33 AM
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saintsfan1976 03-13-2023 11:35 AM
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Next.

AsylumGuido 03-13-2023 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971250)
Next.


saintsfan1976 03-13-2023 12:22 PM
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Winston next
Thomas next
Lattimore???

Should get us in a spot to sign draft picks. Which is est $9MM according to Spotrac


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971254)
Winston next
Thomas next
Lattimore???

Should get us in a spot to sign draft picks. Which is est $9MM according to Spotrac


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/


Michael Thomas will probably be coming through soon.


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