Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

AsylumGuido · 01-19-2023, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Expect more of the same on offense. It's insanity!

Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays.

halloween 65 · 01-19-2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays.

You want see that under Allen, period.

Sinner · 01-19-2023, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

You want see that under Allen, period.

PERIOD. ^^^

AsylumGuido · 01-19-2023, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

You want see that under Allen, period.

We saw it under Vitt and Kromer with Carmichael. No reason it can't happen again under Allen. But, you just keep not believing. I have enough faith and belief for all of us.

Sinner · 01-19-2023, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We saw it under Vitt and Kromer with Carmichael. No reason it can't happen again under Allen. But, you just keep not believing. I have enough faith and belief for all of us.

I can think of one reason: What we allowed Sam Freakin Darnold to do to us in the Dome to close out this pathetic season. If a QB can put up 43 total yards, throw for zero touchdowns, and two interceptions, and our offense couldn't put up enough points to put that game away, you best believe that we may be headed for more pain. "Faith without works is dead." <<<--- Says so in the Bible.

FinSaint · 01-20-2023, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays.

Brees retired.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Brees retired.

Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 10:34 AM

This is true. Even if we had got a new OC like we all had wanted we would have still had to accomplish most or all of these things to improve the offense.

FinSaint · 01-20-2023, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season.

Sure, I get that, but I don't think the offensive success of the Paytonless season a decade ago is really relevant to today.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Sure, I get that, but I don't think the offensive success of the Paytonless season a decade ago is really relevant to today.

He has actually taken over playcalling a few other times, Fin. He was the playcaller when Payton broke his leg in 2011 against the Colts. We won that game 62-7, the most points ever scored by the Saints. He also handled playcalling in the first several games of 2016 when we scored 32 or more in four of five games. I just don't understand how or why he suddenly became so conservative this past season unless the plan was to not make mistakes and rely upon the defense. If so I'm sure they have garnered the fact that this didn't work very well. If Carmichael does truly retain the playcalling duties I fully expect a more aggressive approach.

Edit: Here's more on Carmichael's playcalling. He actually called the rest of the 2011 season after Payton's injury.

2011

The Saints averaged 452 yards per game in their first five games before Payton got injured and had to cede play calling to Carmichael and 474 yards for the final 11 regular-season games after that. The Saints set numerous offensive records that season behind Carmichael and Payton, including most yards gained in a season.

01-19-2023, 02:33 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by NOLA54 Expect more of the same on offense. It's insanity! Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays.

01-19-2023, 04:52 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 You want see that under Allen, period. PERIOD. ^^^ halloween 65 and K Major like this.
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01-19-2023, 05:17 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 You want see that under Allen, period. We saw it under Vitt and Kromer with Carmichael. No reason it can't happen again under Allen. But, you just keep not believing. I have enough faith and belief for all of us.

01-19-2023, 05:31 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We saw it under Vitt and Kromer with Carmichael. No reason it can't happen again under Allen. But, you just keep not believing. I have enough faith and belief for all of us. I can think of one reason: What we allowed Sam Freakin Darnold to do to us in the Dome to close out this pathetic season. If a QB can put up 43 total yards, throw for zero touchdowns, and two interceptions, and our offense couldn't put up enough points to put that game away, you best believe that we may be headed for more pain. "Faith without works is dead." <<<--- Says so in the Bible.
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01-20-2023, 10:17 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays. Brees retired.

01-19-2023, 04:41 PM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays. You want see that under Allen, period.

01-20-2023, 10:23 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by FinSaint Brees retired. Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season.

01-20-2023, 10:34 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff This is true. Even if we had got a new OC like we all had wanted we would have still had to accomplish most or all of these things to improve the offense. Twitter

01-20-2023, 12:02 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season. Sure, I get that, but I don't think the offensive success of the Paytonless season a decade ago is really relevant to today.

01-20-2023, 02:02 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by FinSaint Sure, I get that, but I don't think the offensive success of the Paytonless season a decade ago is really relevant to today. He has actually taken over playcalling a few other times, Fin. He was the playcaller when Payton broke his leg in 2011 against the Colts. We won that game 62-7, the most points ever scored by the Saints. He also handled playcalling in the first several games of 2016 when we scored 32 or more in four of five games. I just don't understand how or why he suddenly became so conservative this past season unless the plan was to not make mistakes and rely upon the defense. If so I'm sure they have garnered the fact that this didn't work very well. If Carmichael does truly retain the playcalling duties I fully expect a more aggressive approach. Edit: Here's more on Carmichael's playcalling. He actually called the rest of the 2011 season after Payton's injury. 2011 The Saints averaged 452 yards per game in their first five games before Payton got injured and had to cede play calling to Carmichael and 474 yards for the final 11 regular-season games after that. The Saints set numerous offensive records that season behind Carmichael and Payton, including most yards gained in a season.
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