What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 04:50 PM

Not a fan, but ...

SmashMouth · 02-22-2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not a fan, but ...

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...04475303350272

Coach KMajor has already ruled on the matter, long ago... it's old news now.

It's just Underhill trying to generate clicks for his paid content... so he can pay Triplett his salary. Maybe Underhill is lurking BnG for new stories?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 06:46 PM

Consider this.

Rugby Saint II · 02-23-2023, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Consider this.

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578

But were they in cap Hell as well?

SmashMouth · 02-23-2023, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Consider this.

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

But were they in cap Hell as well?

Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF.

Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" !

I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

But were they in cap Hell as well?

Actually, all three are in cap related hell by some person's definition, Rugs.

Tampa Bay 2020-21 Champs with Brady - currently most over the cap
Rams 2021-22 Champs with Stafford - purged most of their talent
Chiefs 2022-23 Champs with Mahomes - QB counts $49.763 million against the 2023 cap - $98.83 million dead cap number - Only $526K in 2023 cap space curently

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF.

Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" !

I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

More and more teams are shifting to the Saints model of contract construction. Mahomes ten year deal is structured with huge roster bonuses every year which are designed to be converted to signing bonuses and prorated annually. In other words, kicking that can down the road as some that do not understand the principle commonly call it.

YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	WORKOUT	RESTRUCTURE	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2020	Contract details by year	25	$825,000	$4,521,508	-	-	-	$5,346,508	$64,953,413
$10,926,636
($10,926,636)
2021	Contract details by year	26	$990,000	$2,000,000	-	$100,000	$4,343,381	$7,433,381	$99,506,905
$22,806,905
($33,733,541)
2022	Contract details by year	27	$1,500,000	$2,000,000	$27,400,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$35,793,381	$130,673,524
$31,950,000
($65,683,541)
2023	Contract details by year	28	$5,500,000	$2,000,000	$34,400,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$46,793,381	$94,880,143
$40,450,000
($106,133,541)
2024	Contract details by year	29	$2,500,000	$2,000,000	$34,900,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$44,293,381	$48,636,762
$37,950,000
($144,083,541)
2025	Contract details by year	30	$2,500,000	-	$38,900,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$46,293,381	$4,343,381
$41,950,000
($186,033,541)
2026	Contract details by year	31	$2,500,000	-	$38,900,000	$550,000	-	$41,950,000	-
$41,950,000
($227,983,541)
2027	Contract details by year	32	$10,000,000	-	$49,400,000	$550,000	-	$59,950,000	-
$59,950,000
($287,933,541)
2028	Contract details by year	33	$13,000,000	-	$30,900,000	$550,000	-	$44,450,000	-
$44,450,000
($332,383,541)
2029	Contract details by year	34	$20,500,000	-	$23,900,000	$550,000	-	$44,950,000	-
$44,950,000
($377,333,541)
2030	Contract details by year	35	$27,000,000	-	$22,900,000	$550,000	-	$50,450,000	-
$50,450,000
($427,783,541)
2031	Contract details by year	36	$38,000,000	-	$13,900,000	$550,000	-	$52,450,000	-
$52,450,000
($480,233,541)
2032	Free Agent Year	37
UFA

Rugby Saint II · 02-23-2023, 02:07 PM

Kai Harley and .Mickey Loomis are truly innovators. It's too bad that we've had to lose good players because we simply could not afford to keep them and still paid the contract while they were playing on another team. I know that the cap keeps going up and that we are playing with future money now but eventually the bill will come due. I just wonder what we will have to show for it?

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Kai Harley and .Mickey Loomis are truly innovators. It's too bad that we've had to lose good players because we simply could not afford to keep them and still paid the contract while they were playing on another team. I know that the cap keeps going up and that we are playing with future money now but eventually the bill will come due. I just wonder what we will have to show for it?

Who are all of those good players we lost because we couldn't pay them and still paid the contract while they were on other teams? Teams release or do not resign players all the time hoping to replace them for less costly options. That's the nature of the entire NFL, not just the Saints.

Rugs, the Saints have been using this accounting method for almost two decades. If the bill was going to show up wouldn't you think it already would have done so well before now?

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2023, 10:08 AM

Pretty much the expected range. Quickly approaching the average going rate for a vet.

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02-22-2023, 05:37 PM	#192
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not a fan, but ... https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...04475303350272 Coach KMajor has already ruled on the matter, long ago... it's old news now. It's just Underhill trying to generate clicks for his paid content... so he can pay Triplett his salary. Maybe Underhill is lurking BnG for new stories?

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Consider this. https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578 But were they in cap Hell as well?

02-23-2023, 11:17 AM	#195
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Consider this. https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II But were they in cap Hell as well? Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF. Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" ! I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

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02-23-2023, 11:47 AM	#196
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II But were they in cap Hell as well? Actually, all three are in cap related hell by some person's definition, Rugs. Tampa Bay 2020-21 Champs with Brady - currently most over the cap Rams 2021-22 Champs with Stafford - purged most of their talent Chiefs 2022-23 Champs with Mahomes - QB counts $49.763 million against the 2023 cap - $98.83 million dead cap number - Only $526K in 2023 cap space curently

02-23-2023, 02:07 PM	#198
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Kai Harley and .Mickey Loomis are truly innovators. It's too bad that we've had to lose good players because we simply could not afford to keep them and still paid the contract while they were playing on another team. I know that the cap keeps going up and that we are playing with future money now but eventually the bill will come due. I just wonder what we will have to show for it?

02-23-2023, 04:09 PM	#199
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Kai Harley and .Mickey Loomis are truly innovators. It's too bad that we've had to lose good players because we simply could not afford to keep them and still paid the contract while they were playing on another team. I know that the cap keeps going up and that we are playing with future money now but eventually the bill will come due. I just wonder what we will have to show for it? Who are all of those good players we lost because we couldn't pay them and still paid the contract while they were on other teams? Teams release or do not resign players all the time hoping to replace them for less costly options. That's the nature of the entire NFL, not just the Saints. Rugs, the Saints have been using this accounting method for almost two decades. If the bill was going to show up wouldn't you think it already would have done so well before now?

02-24-2023, 10:08 AM	#200
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Pretty much the expected range. Quickly approaching the average going rate for a vet. Twitter