Mock Drafts 2023

K Major · 04-24-2023, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

CJ Stroud is the best QB in this draft and I don’t think it’s close.

Agree 100.

This is why I hope Carolina selects B Young instead.

SmashMouth · 04-24-2023, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

CJ Stroud is the best QB in this draft and I don’t think it’s close.

Originally Posted by K Major

Agree 100.

This is why I hope Carolina selects B Young instead.

Isn't that what they said about Justin Fields ? It's all too confusing ... Who should we believe ?

AsylumGuido · 04-24-2023, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I wonder why they're putting so much value on this new version of the Wonderslick test?

It isn't the same type of test at all. The Wonderlic is a problem solving test with multiple choice answers. The S2 is a physical and mental response test using game type controls from what I have read. It supposedly measures response times and accuracy.

What is S2 in the NFL? Explaining Bryce Young, other QB scores for 2023 draft cognition test

From link above:

S2 began testing in 2015 and, unlike the now-passe Wonderlic, does not measure general intelligence. It instead determines the speed at which players can process split-second information, and how fast they can act on it.

The Athletic reports the S2 evaluation takes 40 to 45 minutes to complete and consists of nine different tests, all of which measure varying aspects of processing speed. Per S2's site, five of the mental "instincts" it tests for include:

Perception Speed
Visual Search Efficiency
Trajectory Prediction
Impulse Control
Improvisation

Reportedly it doesn't identify when an athlete will be successful, but it can identify when there is a high likelihood they won't be a success based upon historic results. They said anything below a score of 80% for a QB is a red flag. Stroud scored a shockingly low 18%. I believe Bryce Young scored a 98%.

K Major · 04-24-2023, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Isn't that what they said about Justin Fields ? It's all too confusing ... Who should we believe ?

Trust the tape

IMO Justin Fields is a good Qb with a high NFL ceiling. Chicago needs to upgrade their O line and get him a difference-maker @ WR.

The tools and football IQ is there.

Boston Saint · 04-24-2023, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Trust the tape

IMO Justin Fields is a good Qb with a high NFL ceiling. Chicago needs to upgrade their O line and get him a difference-maker @ WR.

The tools and football IQ is there.

I still think Hooker was the best college QB last year. If he goes to the right team I think he will be a beast (best/breast &#128540

iceshack149 · 04-24-2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I still think Hooker was the best college QB last year. If he goes to the right team I think he will be a beast (best/breast &#128540

I hit "LIKE" just so that I could "UNLIKE" your comment.

Boston Saint · 04-24-2023, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I hit "LIKE" just so that I could "UNLIKE" your comment.

LOL….Nice! So nice that I Had to do it back to you

SmashMouth · 04-24-2023, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I still think Hooker was the best college QB last year. If he goes to the right team I think he will be a beast (best/breast &#128540

Peter King thinks he'll go in the first round.

Boston Saint · 04-24-2023, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Peter King thinks he'll go in the first round.

The man had 11,053 yards of total offense, completing 632-of-944 passes (66.9 percent) for 8,974 yards and 80 touchdowns with 12 interceptions. Plus 25 rushing TDs. That’s pretty amazing.

SmashMouth · 04-24-2023, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

The man had 11,053 yards of total offense, completing 632-of-944 passes (66.9 percent) for 8,974 yards and 80 touchdowns with 12 interceptions. Plus 25 rushing TDs. That’s pretty amazing.

Amazing since he didn't do as well at his previous stop.

Maybe LSU's Daniels will follow the same fate for next year.

04-24-2023, 09:07 AM	#471
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,074 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by rezburna CJ Stroud is the best QB in this draft and I don’t think it’s close. Agree 100. This is why I hope Carolina selects B Young instead. rezburna likes this.

04-24-2023, 10:34 AM	#472
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,159 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by rezburna CJ Stroud is the best QB in this draft and I don’t think it’s close. Originally Posted by K Major Agree 100. This is why I hope Carolina selects B Young instead. Isn't that what they said about Justin Fields ? It's all too confusing ... Who should we believe ? K Major likes this.

04-24-2023, 11:25 AM	#473
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,429	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by SmashMouth I wonder why they're putting so much value on this new version of the Wonderslick test? It isn't the same type of test at all. The Wonderlic is a problem solving test with multiple choice answers. The S2 is a physical and mental response test using game type controls from what I have read. It supposedly measures response times and accuracy. What is S2 in the NFL? Explaining Bryce Young, other QB scores for 2023 draft cognition test From link above: S2 began testing in 2015 and, unlike the now-passe Wonderlic, does not measure general intelligence. It instead determines the speed at which players can process split-second information, and how fast they can act on it. The Athletic reports the S2 evaluation takes 40 to 45 minutes to complete and consists of nine different tests, all of which measure varying aspects of processing speed. Per S2's site, five of the mental "instincts" it tests for include: Perception Speed Visual Search Efficiency Trajectory Prediction Impulse Control Improvisation Reportedly it doesn't identify when an athlete will be successful, but it can identify when there is a high likelihood they won't be a success based upon historic results. They said anything below a score of 80% for a QB is a red flag. Stroud scored a shockingly low 18%. I believe Bryce Young scored a 98%.
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04-24-2023, 11:51 AM	#474
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,074 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by SmashMouth Isn't that what they said about Justin Fields ? It's all too confusing ... Who should we believe ? Trust the tape IMO Justin Fields is a good Qb with a high NFL ceiling. Chicago needs to upgrade their O line and get him a difference-maker @ WR. The tools and football IQ is there.

04-24-2023, 12:00 PM	#475
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,880	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by K Major Trust the tape IMO Justin Fields is a good Qb with a high NFL ceiling. Chicago needs to upgrade their O line and get him a difference-maker @ WR. The tools and football IQ is there. I still think Hooker was the best college QB last year. If he goes to the right team I think he will be a beast (best/breast &#128540

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04-24-2023, 01:42 PM	#476
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,101 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by Boston Saint I still think Hooker was the best college QB last year. If he goes to the right team I think he will be a beast (best/breast &#128540 I hit "LIKE" just so that I could "UNLIKE" your comment. Boston Saint likes this.

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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,880	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by iceshack149 I hit "LIKE" just so that I could "UNLIKE" your comment. LOL….Nice! So nice that I Had to do it back to you

04-24-2023, 02:39 PM	#478
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,159 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by Boston Saint I still think Hooker was the best college QB last year. If he goes to the right team I think he will be a beast (best/breast &#128540 Peter King thinks he'll go in the first round.

04-24-2023, 02:52 PM	#479
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,880	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by SmashMouth Peter King thinks he'll go in the first round. The man had 11,053 yards of total offense, completing 632-of-944 passes (66.9 percent) for 8,974 yards and 80 touchdowns with 12 interceptions. Plus 25 rushing TDs. That’s pretty amazing. iceshack149 and SmashMouth like this.

04-24-2023, 02:53 PM	#480
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,159 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mock Drafts 2023 Originally Posted by Boston Saint The man had 11,053 yards of total offense, completing 632-of-944 passes (66.9 percent) for 8,974 yards and 80 touchdowns with 12 interceptions. Plus 25 rushing TDs. That’s pretty amazing. Amazing since he didn't do as well at his previous stop. Maybe LSU's Daniels will follow the same fate for next year.