Payton goes to the Broncos!

AsylumGuido · 01-31-2023, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Loomy caved

Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land.

Sinner · 01-31-2023, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land.

If there is a dream land, you sir, are the Mayor.

subguy · 01-31-2023, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

If there is a dream land, you sir, are the Mayor.

Took a swig of Gatorade as I read this, needless to say it all came spitting back out my nose with laughter

TheOak · 02-01-2023, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

If there is a dream land, you sir, are the Mayor.

Mayor…? Surely you underestimate the vision of the divine one? Looks like an active thread until you realize the Narcissist is 25 of the 65 comments.

I’m pretty done here, he’s run off too many good people and it’s impossible to have a conversation. It is what it is.

K Major · 02-01-2023, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Mayor…? Surely you underestimate the vision of the divine one? Looks like an active thread until you realize the Narcissist is 25 of the 65 comments.

I’m pretty done here, he’s run off too many good people and it’s impossible to have a conversation. It is what it is.

Facts.

That’s pretty sad and also troubling.

vpheughan · 01-31-2023, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land.

IF YOU KNEW: "That's all the market was going to bear."
WHY............ "wish I had been wrong........."
TELL US AGAIN ABOUT ".....DREAM LAND"

BakoSaint · 01-31-2023, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land.

Well lol this is one of the rare times I will agree with Mickey Loomis and Guido. This sort of compensation was in line with my median expectations all along. I don't think Mickey worked any magic and got an amazing unexpected haul but honestly this was fine and he did his job. Now he needs to just not screw up and not trade away our 2024 picks to make some splash this year.

I did not think we should take some late 2nd rounder or something because 'it's better than nothing' but I also did not think we were likely to get some blockbuster top 5 pick or multiple 1st rounders. This is reality. This is what Payton was worth.

And no, the Broncos were not going to wait until 2025 to execute this deal to save on picks. They paid billions for the team. They want to win now. They paid up the nose for Russell Wilson, they want to see if he can be the answer with better coaching now.

And I was right in saying Harbaugh could affect the market for Payton. It seems like Denver took one last shot at Harbaugh for free before they paid for Payton, given the similar products. Harbaugh bowing out of consideration probably helped us get value for Payton. Had Harbaugh made himself available its likely the Broncos would have either given him a similar deal and saved themselves picks, or used his availability as leverage to drop our asking price, if the Panthers etc did not take him off the market first.

It never made a ton of sense for anyone to give us Jon Gruden type trade value. Sean Payton and Jon Gruden were both born in 1963. They are essentially the same age. Jon Gruden in 2002 and Sean Payton in 2022 are not the same value. Tampa traded for a coach who, if it all worked out, could have been a legend for their team for decades. With Payton, Denver is trading for a coach who has 5-10 years left and might be the next Andy Reid or Dick Vermeil or might be the next Seahawks Holmgren or Saints Ditka.

This was a fair enough deal. We were never getting the picks to draft CJ Stroud or Bryce Young just because someone on a message board saw him in a game and had the unique special thought that he liked him for a pro QB.

The one puzzling thing is that Payton is not walking into a much better situation than he left in New Orleans, and perhaps may be walking into a worse one. They have even less draft picks. Wilson's contract could easily become an albatross, and it will be very costly to get out of it anytime soon. The Broncos do have a lot more cap space than the Saints in 2023 and going forward through 2025 but the Wilson deal and the lack of draft picks could be an issue still.

I think the Broncos 2023 2nd rounder could be a high pick in the 33-48 range. Sean is a great coach but if Russ is cooked things could really hit the fan for the Broncos in 2023. Sean's teams don't have an amazing record on defense and great defenses one season do not always stay great the next. So I am not sure the Broncos can could on their defense to carry them in 2023. Meanwhile maybe Sean can fix Russ but maybe nobody can, and if nobody can fix Russ, his leadership of the team could unravel further in 2023 and make 2022 look good. So, I could definitely see a scenario where the Broncos are in the range of a .500 team to one of the worst teams in the league. I have trouble seeing them winning their division or anything like that.

01-31-2023, 03:32 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Payton goes to the Broncos! Originally Posted by halloween 65 Loomy caved Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land. MatthewT, Rugby Saint II and OldMaid like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Payton goes to the Broncos! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land. If there is a dream land, you sir, are the Mayor. subguy, iceshack149, jnormand and 6 others like this.
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01-31-2023, 08:35 PM	#3
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: Payton goes to the Broncos! Originally Posted by Sinner If there is a dream land, you sir, are the Mayor. Took a swig of Gatorade as I read this, needless to say it all came spitting back out my nose with laughter Sinner and K Major like this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Payton goes to the Broncos! Originally Posted by Sinner If there is a dream land, you sir, are the Mayor. Mayor…? Surely you underestimate the vision of the divine one? Looks like an active thread until you realize the Narcissist is 25 of the 65 comments. I’m pretty done here, he’s run off too many good people and it’s impossible to have a conversation. It is what it is. iceshack149 and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton goes to the Broncos! Originally Posted by TheOak Mayor…? Surely you underestimate the vision of the divine one? Looks like an active thread until you realize the Narcissist is 25 of the 65 comments. I’m pretty done here, he’s run off too many good people and it’s impossible to have a conversation. It is what it is. Facts. That’s pretty sad and also troubling. iceshack149 and frydaddy like this.

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01-31-2023, 11:38 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Payton goes to the Broncos! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Tried to warn y'all. That's all the market was going to bear. If you were expecting more you were living in a dream land. Well lol this is one of the rare times I will agree with Mickey Loomis and Guido. This sort of compensation was in line with my median expectations all along. I don't think Mickey worked any magic and got an amazing unexpected haul but honestly this was fine and he did his job. Now he needs to just not screw up and not trade away our 2024 picks to make some splash this year. I did not think we should take some late 2nd rounder or something because 'it's better than nothing' but I also did not think we were likely to get some blockbuster top 5 pick or multiple 1st rounders. This is reality. This is what Payton was worth. And no, the Broncos were not going to wait until 2025 to execute this deal to save on picks. They paid billions for the team. They want to win now. They paid up the nose for Russell Wilson, they want to see if he can be the answer with better coaching now. And I was right in saying Harbaugh could affect the market for Payton. It seems like Denver took one last shot at Harbaugh for free before they paid for Payton, given the similar products. Harbaugh bowing out of consideration probably helped us get value for Payton. Had Harbaugh made himself available its likely the Broncos would have either given him a similar deal and saved themselves picks, or used his availability as leverage to drop our asking price, if the Panthers etc did not take him off the market first. It never made a ton of sense for anyone to give us Jon Gruden type trade value. Sean Payton and Jon Gruden were both born in 1963. They are essentially the same age. Jon Gruden in 2002 and Sean Payton in 2022 are not the same value. Tampa traded for a coach who, if it all worked out, could have been a legend for their team for decades. With Payton, Denver is trading for a coach who has 5-10 years left and might be the next Andy Reid or Dick Vermeil or might be the next Seahawks Holmgren or Saints Ditka. This was a fair enough deal. We were never getting the picks to draft CJ Stroud or Bryce Young just because someone on a message board saw him in a game and had the unique special thought that he liked him for a pro QB. The one puzzling thing is that Payton is not walking into a much better situation than he left in New Orleans, and perhaps may be walking into a worse one. They have even less draft picks. Wilson's contract could easily become an albatross, and it will be very costly to get out of it anytime soon. The Broncos do have a lot more cap space than the Saints in 2023 and going forward through 2025 but the Wilson deal and the lack of draft picks could be an issue still. I think the Broncos 2023 2nd rounder could be a high pick in the 33-48 range. Sean is a great coach but if Russ is cooked things could really hit the fan for the Broncos in 2023. Sean's teams don't have an amazing record on defense and great defenses one season do not always stay great the next. So I am not sure the Broncos can could on their defense to carry them in 2023. Meanwhile maybe Sean can fix Russ but maybe nobody can, and if nobody can fix Russ, his leadership of the team could unravel further in 2023 and make 2022 look good. So, I could definitely see a scenario where the Broncos are in the range of a .500 team to one of the worst teams in the league. I have trouble seeing them winning their division or anything like that. UK_WhoDat, neugey, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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