Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard

K Major · 02-02-2023, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees.

Accurate.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 03:59 PM

Woods does fit that bill. His area of expertise is the secondary and that would fill Richard's missing shoes nicely.

SmashMouth · 02-02-2023, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We are only "way over the cap" because that's the way contracts are purposely structured with inflated future base salaries and roster/workout bonuses. It not the result of anything but intentional design. Realistically we are as much as $30 million under the cap as things stand right now.

As for Mahomes, how can you place any blame on Loomis and Payton for the Saints not having him now? They attempted to move up to try to get him but were unable to make any deal to get up that high. That's not their fault. Move on from that.

Originally Posted by K Major

Accurate.

Whether it's a Mahomes or some other QB, the fact still remains that SP failed to transition from Brees. For a reputed QB whisperer, it is abundantly obvious this reputation is overstated. It still stands that had he been able to get a Mahomes, he'd still be here and we wouldn't even have a discussion. Think about it, as much as the Saints traded up for talent, if he was so hot to trot on Mahomes as he now so eloquently espouses to be, he could have traded up to snatch Mahomes away from KC, yes even a mere few picks away. Somebody would have taken two number ones, something Saints had already done. Saints simply didn't offer it.

As far as QB contracts, they are completely out of hand, so much so there is a discussion to have a separate category outside of the cap. Brees contracts and other player contracts significantly contributed to pushing what is essentially debt forward. That is the methodology Loomie showed the rest of the league how to do. And it works so long as the team continues to be in contention, which it isn't now. If the talent evaluations, both draft and FA, fall off a cliff, it can seriously hurt a team. We are now reaping the aftermath of such said bad evaluations and faulty roster management including managing aging players, injuries notwithstanding. Yes, they (injuries) are part of the game. There is what seems to be a new climate on how injuries are handled. What hasn't adjusted yet are the financial ramifications of the injuries. There is a reason we do have a cap. If teams are to manage injuries the way we've seen teams now handle them, not just the Saints, there ought to be financial ramifications on how these salaries are handled. If an RPO QB is the way of the future, they cannot get paid insane contracts. An argument could instead be to pay them less since they won't be able to hold up an entire season. Maybe we're segueing into two QB systems. Only the very elite QBs deserve the very elite contracts. Right now it's Mahomes and Burrow... and that's it. This nonsense to have the likes of Dak Prescott and Desahwn Watson and so on with cap crippling contracts is just plain stupid. This is a team game. It's already been proven time and time again one can win a SB sans an elite QB. Yes, it's easier. But those are few and far between. The cap is the biggest ever and is big enough to manage player salaries. Owners can't let players get paid too much. However with gambling now so intertwined in the league, tampering is abound to save those overpaid players so that they themselves are shielded in whatever capacity RG needs them to be shielded for the sake of the NFL brand. And here we enter the realm of "entertainment" and not a truly competitive sport as we all grew up to love.

K Major · 02-02-2023, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that.

Allen got a hold of the keys to an M5 and wrecked it within 1 season

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SmashMouth · 02-02-2023, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Allen got a hold of the keys to an M5 and wrecked it within 1 season .

BMWs are notoriously finicky and unreliable, but fun when they DO work. Not every mechanic understands how to work on them ... or even drive them.

K Major · 02-03-2023, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

BMWs are notoriously finicky and unreliable, but fun when they DO work. Not every mechanic understands how to work on them ... or even drive them.

I used that reference because I own an M5. It's only been serviced twice in 4 years

. The power, workmanship, and german engineering are without a doubt addictive.

Wonderful cars, but yes they do break. Especially when you have so many internal moving parts and electronics involved.

An extended warranty (through BMW) is highly recommended

.

Side note - not all are "unreliable". I had an E39 (5 series) and the motor is a tank. The newer Bimmers are not nearly as reliable

.

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2023, 11:21 AM

Speaking of QB salaries ...

SmashMouth · 02-03-2023, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I used that reference because I own an M5. It's only been serviced twice in 4 years . The power, workmanship, and german engineering are without a doubt addictive.

Wonderful cars, but yes they do break. Especially when you have so many internal moving parts and electronics involved.

An extended warranty (through BMW) is highly recommended .

Side note - not all are "unreliable". I had an E39 (5 series) and the motor is a tank. The newer Bimmers are not nearly as reliable .

In my younger days, I was hot on the M3. Couldn't afford it then. I got an S2000 in 2003... still have it today. It's worth more now than the day I bought it.

I am in love with the 718 Spyder. It would be a suitable replacement for the S. At about $125K + I can't justify the cost for a garage queen, even though it would do nothing but appreciate in value.

02-02-2023, 01:57 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SmashMouth I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees. Accurate. mapcow likes this.

02-02-2023, 03:59 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Twitter Woods does fit that bill. His area of expertise is the secondary and that would fill Richard's missing shoes nicely.

02-02-2023, 07:48 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SmashMouth Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We are only "way over the cap" because that's the way contracts are purposely structured with inflated future base salaries and roster/workout bonuses. It not the result of anything but intentional design. Realistically we are as much as $30 million under the cap as things stand right now. As for Mahomes, how can you place any blame on Loomis and Payton for the Saints not having him now? They attempted to move up to try to get him but were unable to make any deal to get up that high. That's not their fault. Move on from that. Originally Posted by K Major Accurate. Whether it's a Mahomes or some other QB, the fact still remains that SP failed to transition from Brees. For a reputed QB whisperer, it is abundantly obvious this reputation is overstated. It still stands that had he been able to get a Mahomes, he'd still be here and we wouldn't even have a discussion. Think about it, as much as the Saints traded up for talent, if he was so hot to trot on Mahomes as he now so eloquently espouses to be, he could have traded up to snatch Mahomes away from KC, yes even a mere few picks away. Somebody would have taken two number ones, something Saints had already done. Saints simply didn't offer it. As far as QB contracts, they are completely out of hand, so much so there is a discussion to have a separate category outside of the cap. Brees contracts and other player contracts significantly contributed to pushing what is essentially debt forward. That is the methodology Loomie showed the rest of the league how to do. And it works so long as the team continues to be in contention, which it isn't now. If the talent evaluations, both draft and FA, fall off a cliff, it can seriously hurt a team. We are now reaping the aftermath of such said bad evaluations and faulty roster management including managing aging players, injuries notwithstanding. Yes, they (injuries) are part of the game. There is what seems to be a new climate on how injuries are handled. What hasn't adjusted yet are the financial ramifications of the injuries. There is a reason we do have a cap. If teams are to manage injuries the way we've seen teams now handle them, not just the Saints, there ought to be financial ramifications on how these salaries are handled. If an RPO QB is the way of the future, they cannot get paid insane contracts. An argument could instead be to pay them less since they won't be able to hold up an entire season. Maybe we're segueing into two QB systems. Only the very elite QBs deserve the very elite contracts. Right now it's Mahomes and Burrow... and that's it. This nonsense to have the likes of Dak Prescott and Desahwn Watson and so on with cap crippling contracts is just plain stupid. This is a team game. It's already been proven time and time again one can win a SB sans an elite QB. Yes, it's easier. But those are few and far between. The cap is the biggest ever and is big enough to manage player salaries. Owners can't let players get paid too much. However with gambling now so intertwined in the league, tampering is abound to save those overpaid players so that they themselves are shielded in whatever capacity RG needs them to be shielded for the sake of the NFL brand. And here we enter the realm of "entertainment" and not a truly competitive sport as we all grew up to love. Rugby Saint II, halloween 65 and K Major like this.

02-02-2023, 06:45 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SaintsBro Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that. Allen got a hold of the keys to an M5 and wrecked it within 1 season . halloween 65 likes this.

02-02-2023, 07:50 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by K Major Allen got a hold of the keys to an M5 and wrecked it within 1 season . BMWs are notoriously finicky and unreliable, but fun when they DO work. Not every mechanic understands how to work on them ... or even drive them. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

02-03-2023, 09:55 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SmashMouth BMWs are notoriously finicky and unreliable, but fun when they DO work. Not every mechanic understands how to work on them ... or even drive them. I used that reference because I own an M5. It's only been serviced twice in 4 years . The power, workmanship, and german engineering are without a doubt addictive. Wonderful cars, but yes they do break. Especially when you have so many internal moving parts and electronics involved. An extended warranty (through BMW) is highly recommended . Side note - not all are "unreliable". I had an E39 (5 series) and the motor is a tank. The newer Bimmers are not nearly as reliable . SmashMouth likes this.

02-03-2023, 11:21 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Speaking of QB salaries ... Twitter

02-03-2023, 12:24 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by K Major I used that reference because I own an M5. It's only been serviced twice in 4 years . The power, workmanship, and german engineering are without a doubt addictive. Wonderful cars, but yes they do break. Especially when you have so many internal moving parts and electronics involved. An extended warranty (through BMW) is highly recommended . Side note - not all are "unreliable". I had an E39 (5 series) and the motor is a tank. The newer Bimmers are not nearly as reliable . In my younger days, I was hot on the M3. Couldn't afford it then. I got an S2000 in 2003... still have it today. It's worth more now than the day I bought it. I am in love with the 718 Spyder. It would be a suitable replacement for the S. At about $125K + I can't justify the cost for a garage queen, even though it would do nothing but appreciate in value. K Major likes this.