Can't Guard Mike

voodooido · 02-21-2023, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He's not costing you or I anything. You act like it's his fault. It is more the fault of the team than anything. The rest is just dumb luck. Payton shouldn't have had him in the game he first got injured. The team shouldn't have forced him to play through the injury by shooting him up.

I believe in him because he is still a fricking stud. He can still dominate. He proved that last season. If you truly wanted what was best for the Saints you would want him out their on the field instead of wasting your time and energy hating on him.

But, you know what they say ...

You say it’s not his fault. I say he has no heart.
Let’s agree to disagree

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

You say it’s not his fault. I say he has no heart.
Let’s agree to disagree

I've seen no indication of that. What exactly makes you believe that? He tried his very best to play through the first injury. The team shot him up to keep playing until it got so bad he wasn't able to go any further. He then took other doctor's advice to see if rehab alone would work with his injury. When it didn't he agreed to have surgery. There were complications (most likely infection) that required a second surgery. He then worked his ass off to come back and looked great until the accident on field that dislocated the toe requiring yet another surgery after the team's getting the initial diagnoses wrong. From all indications he has been rehabbing to return yet again.

He has missed no game that he was physically able to play and played several that he probably shouldn't have played. It sounds to me like he has a ton of heart.

Yet, I'll agree to disagree.

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've seen no indication of that. What exactly makes you believe that? He tried his very best to play through the first injury. The team shot him up to keep playing until it got so bad he wasn't able to go any further. He then took other doctor's advice to see if rehab alone would work with his injury. When it didn't he agreed to have surgery. There were complications (most likely infection) that required a second surgery. He then worked his ass off to come back and looked great until the accident on field that dislocated the toe requiring yet another surgery after the team's getting the initial diagnoses wrong. From all indications he has been rehabbing to return yet again.

He has missed no game that he was physically able to play and played several that he probably shouldn't have played. It sounds to me like he has a ton of heart.

Yet, I'll agree to disagree.

But, you forget to mention that he refused to return phone calls from the medical staff, coaches, or front office.

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2023, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've seen no indication of that. What exactly makes you believe that? He tried his very best to play through the first injury. The team shot him up to keep playing until it got so bad he wasn't able to go any further. He then took other doctor's advice to see if rehab alone would work with his injury. When it didn't he agreed to have surgery. There were complications (most likely infection) that required a second surgery. He then worked his ass off to come back and looked great until the accident on field that dislocated the toe requiring yet another surgery after the team's getting the initial diagnoses wrong. From all indications he has been rehabbing to return yet again.

He has missed no game that he was physically able to play and played several that he probably shouldn't have played. It sounds to me like he has a ton of heart.

Yet, I'll agree to disagree.

I still have a problem with him not returning calls from medical staff, coaches, or front office when he was supposed to be having his original surgery. It left a sour taste in my mouth.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I still have a problem with him not returning calls from medical staff, coaches, or front office when he was supposed to be having his original surgery. It left a sour taste in my mouth.

What are the chances that how it was portrayed through social media may not be what actually went down? I'd say close to 100% knowing the accuracy of social media and fans.

You say he didn't return calls "when he was supposed to be having his original surgery". Having surgery is ultimately up to the player, not the team. During the period of time he "allegedly" didn't return calls surgery was not yet the decided option. It was, however, the option that became the viral wishes of lots of fans that wanted him back as soon as possible. No plan for surgery was made until after the non-surgical approach was exhausted. That was when off-season contact with the players was underway.

halloween 65 · 02-25-2023, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I still have a problem with him not returning calls from medical staff, coaches, or front office when he was supposed to be having his original surgery. It left a sour taste in my mouth.

That's what started his downfall with Payton and the front office. He knew what he was doing, new exactly what time frame he would be looking at. The guy can say whatever but he knew. I hope he gets cut and bring in another WR that actually plays instead of drawing a check sitting in the tub. The guy has talent but more of a headache if u ask me. 3 years with little to no production is enough. Ur not the only one it left a bad taste with Rugs.

02-21-2023, 07:14 PM	#1
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,839	Re: Can't Guard Mike Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He's not costing you or I anything. You act like it's his fault. It is more the fault of the team than anything. The rest is just dumb luck. Payton shouldn't have had him in the game he first got injured. The team shouldn't have forced him to play through the injury by shooting him up. I believe in him because he is still a fricking stud. He can still dominate. He proved that last season. If you truly wanted what was best for the Saints you would want him out their on the field instead of wasting your time and energy hating on him. But, you know what they say ... You say it’s not his fault. I say he has no heart. Let’s agree to disagree jnormand likes this.
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02-22-2023, 08:29 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Can't Guard Mike Originally Posted by voodooido You say it’s not his fault. I say he has no heart. Let’s agree to disagree I've seen no indication of that. What exactly makes you believe that? He tried his very best to play through the first injury. The team shot him up to keep playing until it got so bad he wasn't able to go any further. He then took other doctor's advice to see if rehab alone would work with his injury. When it didn't he agreed to have surgery. There were complications (most likely infection) that required a second surgery. He then worked his ass off to come back and looked great until the accident on field that dislocated the toe requiring yet another surgery after the team's getting the initial diagnoses wrong. From all indications he has been rehabbing to return yet again. He has missed no game that he was physically able to play and played several that he probably shouldn't have played. It sounds to me like he has a ton of heart. Yet, I'll agree to disagree. WW_Who_Dat, Rell&Gold and rezburna like this.
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02-22-2023, 10:06 AM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,149	Re: Can't Guard Mike Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've seen no indication of that. What exactly makes you believe that? He tried his very best to play through the first injury. The team shot him up to keep playing until it got so bad he wasn't able to go any further. He then took other doctor's advice to see if rehab alone would work with his injury. When it didn't he agreed to have surgery. There were complications (most likely infection) that required a second surgery. He then worked his ass off to come back and looked great until the accident on field that dislocated the toe requiring yet another surgery after the team's getting the initial diagnoses wrong. From all indications he has been rehabbing to return yet again. He has missed no game that he was physically able to play and played several that he probably shouldn't have played. It sounds to me like he has a ton of heart. Yet, I'll agree to disagree. But, you forget to mention that he refused to return phone calls from the medical staff, coaches, or front office. iceshack149 likes this.

02-22-2023, 10:08 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,149	Re: Can't Guard Mike Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've seen no indication of that. What exactly makes you believe that? He tried his very best to play through the first injury. The team shot him up to keep playing until it got so bad he wasn't able to go any further. He then took other doctor's advice to see if rehab alone would work with his injury. When it didn't he agreed to have surgery. There were complications (most likely infection) that required a second surgery. He then worked his ass off to come back and looked great until the accident on field that dislocated the toe requiring yet another surgery after the team's getting the initial diagnoses wrong. From all indications he has been rehabbing to return yet again. He has missed no game that he was physically able to play and played several that he probably shouldn't have played. It sounds to me like he has a ton of heart. Yet, I'll agree to disagree. I still have a problem with him not returning calls from medical staff, coaches, or front office when he was supposed to be having his original surgery. It left a sour taste in my mouth. MatthewT and halloween 65 like this.

02-22-2023, 10:26 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Can't Guard Mike Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I still have a problem with him not returning calls from medical staff, coaches, or front office when he was supposed to be having his original surgery. It left a sour taste in my mouth. What are the chances that how it was portrayed through social media may not be what actually went down? I'd say close to 100% knowing the accuracy of social media and fans. You say he didn't return calls "when he was supposed to be having his original surgery". Having surgery is ultimately up to the player, not the team. During the period of time he "allegedly" didn't return calls surgery was not yet the decided option. It was, however, the option that became the viral wishes of lots of fans that wanted him back as soon as possible. No plan for surgery was made until after the non-surgical approach was exhausted. That was when off-season contact with the players was underway.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-25-2023, 04:28 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Can't Guard Mike Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I still have a problem with him not returning calls from medical staff, coaches, or front office when he was supposed to be having his original surgery. It left a sour taste in my mouth. That's what started his downfall with Payton and the front office. He knew what he was doing, new exactly what time frame he would be looking at. The guy can say whatever but he knew. I hope he gets cut and bring in another WR that actually plays instead of drawing a check sitting in the tub. The guy has talent but more of a headache if u ask me. 3 years with little to no production is enough. Ur not the only one it left a bad taste with Rugs. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II, mapcow and 2 others like this.

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