Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord

spkb25 · 02-12-2023, 09:20 PM

Remember when the poor guy was fired because the Saints had **** for talent on the 2012 defense. Maybe SP would have won another SB if he had kept him

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leilung · 02-13-2023, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Remember when the poor guy was fired because the Saints had **** for talent on the 2012 defense. Maybe SP would have won another SB if he had kept him

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It wasn't Spag's fault they were horrible. That was the front office doing crappy drafting.

rezburna · 02-19-2023, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

It wasn't Spag's fault they were horrible. That was the front office doing crappy drafting.

Nah.

That defense had Cam Jordan, Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma, Curtis Lofton, Jabari Greer, Malcolm Jenkins, and Roman Harper. Spags system wasn’t working here.

AsylumGuido · 02-19-2023, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Nah.

That defense had Cam Jordan, Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma, Curtis Lofton, Jabari Greer, Malcolm Jenkins, and Roman Harper. Spags system wasn’t working here.

Yep. The problem with Spagnoulo's system is that it is HIS system. He doesn't seem to fit his defense to the strengths of his players. He requires them to adjust to the exact scheme that he wants in place. And then he wants to operate his entire complex playbook day one. It seems like it always take 3/4th of the season for any of his defenses to start to gel. That 2012 defense never gelled. That defense gave up the most yards in NFL history and that was all on Spagnoulo.

On the other hand, the offense under Carmichael that same season was tremendous being ranked 2nd in total yards and 3rd in total points.

rezburna · 02-19-2023, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yep. The problem with Spagnoulo's system is that it is HIS system. He doesn't seem to fit his defense to the strengths of his players. He requires them to adjust to the exact scheme that he wants in place. And then he wants to operate his entire complex playbook day one. It seems like it always take 3/4th of the season for any of his defenses to start to gel. That 2012 defense never gelled. That defense gave up the most yards in NFL history and that was all on Spagnoulo.

On the other hand, the offense under Carmichael that same season was tremendous being ranked 2nd in total yards and 3rd in total points.

I’m here to tell you, those coverages change on the fly depending on route combinations and that **** can get confusing really fast…especially if you come from somewhere that was primarily man.

AsylumGuido · 02-19-2023, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m here to tell you, those coverages change on the fly depending on route combinations and that **** can get confusing really fast…especially if you come from somewhere that was primarily man.

That's what I've always heard. Not every player can fit that scheme, but can excel if placed into something that maximizes their strengths.

SmashMouth · 02-13-2023, 07:20 AM

Lots of woulda coulda shouldas with SP playoffs opportunities., not the least of which was indeed bad personnel on defense under Spags. Better knowledge of the rule book would've handled two of those opportunities (both miracle endings), and the 2011 Greg Williams defense all of sudden didn't care about covering Vernon Davis. That 2011 team was arguably the Saints' most talented team ever.

At least the Saints did make the playoffs a few times and won one Tiffany !

The Meat Guy · 02-13-2023, 07:30 AM

Look... Leave SP alone. It's not his fault the defense with Spags was so bad.

At least that's what he told me when he used to come by the counter at Whole Foods.

halloween 65 · 02-13-2023, 10:52 AM

The only guy Payton ever reall stacked the D was for Allen. Spags would have done a fine job if Payton was smart about a D back then. Payton cost us Superbowls. Won 1 with Brees behind C in his prime. Let that sink in.

K Major · 02-13-2023, 10:58 AM

KC has had middle-of-pack defenses ever since Spaggs arrived.

It helps to have Reid & MVP Patrick Mahomes in your back pocket.

02-12-2023, 09:20 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,064	Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Remember when the poor guy was fired because the Saints had **** for talent on the 2012 defense. Maybe SP would have won another SB if he had kept him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 leilung and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-13-2023, 07:12 AM	#2
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,171	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Originally Posted by spkb25 Remember when the poor guy was fired because the Saints had **** for talent on the 2012 defense. Maybe SP would have won another SB if he had kept him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It wasn't Spag's fault they were horrible. That was the front office doing crappy drafting. spkb25, neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-19-2023, 12:34 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Originally Posted by leilung It wasn't Spag's fault they were horrible. That was the front office doing crappy drafting. Nah. That defense had Cam Jordan, Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma, Curtis Lofton, Jabari Greer, Malcolm Jenkins, and Roman Harper. Spags system wasn’t working here. MatthewT and AsylumGuido like this.

02-19-2023, 01:07 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,492	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Originally Posted by rezburna Nah. That defense had Cam Jordan, Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma, Curtis Lofton, Jabari Greer, Malcolm Jenkins, and Roman Harper. Spags system wasn’t working here. Yep. The problem with Spagnoulo's system is that it is HIS system. He doesn't seem to fit his defense to the strengths of his players. He requires them to adjust to the exact scheme that he wants in place. And then he wants to operate his entire complex playbook day one. It seems like it always take 3/4th of the season for any of his defenses to start to gel. That 2012 defense never gelled. That defense gave up the most yards in NFL history and that was all on Spagnoulo. On the other hand, the offense under Carmichael that same season was tremendous being ranked 2nd in total yards and 3rd in total points. MatthewT likes this.
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02-19-2023, 07:35 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yep. The problem with Spagnoulo's system is that it is HIS system. He doesn't seem to fit his defense to the strengths of his players. He requires them to adjust to the exact scheme that he wants in place. And then he wants to operate his entire complex playbook day one. It seems like it always take 3/4th of the season for any of his defenses to start to gel. That 2012 defense never gelled. That defense gave up the most yards in NFL history and that was all on Spagnoulo. On the other hand, the offense under Carmichael that same season was tremendous being ranked 2nd in total yards and 3rd in total points. I’m here to tell you, those coverages change on the fly depending on route combinations and that **** can get confusing really fast…especially if you come from somewhere that was primarily man. AsylumGuido likes this.

02-19-2023, 08:17 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,492	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Originally Posted by rezburna I’m here to tell you, those coverages change on the fly depending on route combinations and that **** can get confusing really fast…especially if you come from somewhere that was primarily man. That's what I've always heard. Not every player can fit that scheme, but can excel if placed into something that maximizes their strengths.

02-13-2023, 07:20 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,190 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Lots of woulda coulda shouldas with SP playoffs opportunities., not the least of which was indeed bad personnel on defense under Spags. Better knowledge of the rule book would've handled two of those opportunities (both miracle endings), and the 2011 Greg Williams defense all of sudden didn't care about covering Vernon Davis. That 2011 team was arguably the Saints' most talented team ever. At least the Saints did make the playoffs a few times and won one Tiffany ! spkb25, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

02-13-2023, 07:30 AM	#8
The Meat Guy Football Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: WF Meat Counter Posts: 39	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord Look... Leave SP alone. It's not his fault the defense with Spags was so bad. At least that's what he told me when he used to come by the counter at Whole Foods. spkb25, MatthewT, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

02-13-2023, 10:52 AM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord The only guy Payton ever reall stacked the D was for Allen. Spags would have done a fine job if Payton was smart about a D back then. Payton cost us Superbowls. Won 1 with Brees behind C in his prime. Let that sink in.

02-13-2023, 10:58 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,079 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Spags wins 3rd SB as d-coord KC has had middle-of-pack defenses ever since Spaggs arrived. It helps to have Reid & MVP Patrick Mahomes in your back pocket. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.