Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes?

BakoSaint · 03-12-2023, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours.

Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?".

For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win.

BakoSaint · 03-12-2023, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Well, there is no doubt that Gayle is willing to write checks to get the job done. I see no problem with her trying to give the team the best opportunity to win by putting the people in charge she believes in and paying them well. Whether she is paying the right people has yet to be determined. BTW, the Chiefs are a pretty good team. Just sayin'.

I just feel like Gayle is setting money on fire to strive for 9-8 mediocrity by paying Chiefs money for Raiders talent because she is not willing to rebuild or trusts washed up alcoholic GMs who aren't willing to rebuild. But maybe she is smarter than I think and she is trying to crater the franchise like the Jazz so she can sell it to Jeff Bezos for $8 billion and get the team moved out of town without a fight.

The Chiefs are a good team because they did smart things. They did not overpay a receiver with character issues. They got rid of a RB with character issues. When their old QB was getting near the end they drafted a replacement without completely mortgaging the future. They pay elite money when they have elite talent with elite character. They don't overextend themselves with the salary cap and thus when a player is aging, injury prone, or having character issues, or more than one of the above, they are able to move on, because they don't depend on being able to restructure every contract every year to stay under the cap. They can move on from players like Hunt, Hill, Mathieu, Clark, etc and leave flexibility to add the best value players with the best character and health while acquiring draft picks when the opportunities are right to stay young.

Rugby Saint II · 03-12-2023, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?".

For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/243801957586853888

Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw/viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"!

AsylumGuido · 03-12-2023, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"!

Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant.

However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

Rugby Saint II · 03-12-2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant.

However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

Right. The NFL has the cap to keep parity in the league. But if Gayle Benson wants to spend her money on better coaches and front office personnel it's no sweat off my back. If she wants to pay the front office like kings then great. I want to win too and it costs me nothing.

vpheughan · 03-12-2023, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours.

Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!!

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2023, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!!

That player salary portion of that ticket money I fork over is of interest to me. Those are revenues that are mandated per the CBA to be paid out to my players. However, I don't care what is paid to employ coaches or front office personnel. But, yes, who mans those positions is relevant. That I have never denied.

03-12-2023, 02:27 PM	#11
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,748	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours. Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?". For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win. Twitter
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03-12-2023, 02:34 PM	#12
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,748	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Well, there is no doubt that Gayle is willing to write checks to get the job done. I see no problem with her trying to give the team the best opportunity to win by putting the people in charge she believes in and paying them well. Whether she is paying the right people has yet to be determined. BTW, the Chiefs are a pretty good team. Just sayin'. I just feel like Gayle is setting money on fire to strive for 9-8 mediocrity by paying Chiefs money for Raiders talent because she is not willing to rebuild or trusts washed up alcoholic GMs who aren't willing to rebuild. But maybe she is smarter than I think and she is trying to crater the franchise like the Jazz so she can sell it to Jeff Bezos for $8 billion and get the team moved out of town without a fight. The Chiefs are a good team because they did smart things. They did not overpay a receiver with character issues. They got rid of a RB with character issues. When their old QB was getting near the end they drafted a replacement without completely mortgaging the future. They pay elite money when they have elite talent with elite character. They don't overextend themselves with the salary cap and thus when a player is aging, injury prone, or having character issues, or more than one of the above, they are able to move on, because they don't depend on being able to restructure every contract every year to stay under the cap. They can move on from players like Hunt, Hill, Mathieu, Clark, etc and leave flexibility to add the best value players with the best character and health while acquiring draft picks when the opportunities are right to stay young.
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03-12-2023, 02:37 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,725	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?". For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/243801957586853888 Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw/viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"! AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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03-12-2023, 03:17 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"! Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant. However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

03-12-2023, 04:30 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,725	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant. However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever. Right. The NFL has the cap to keep parity in the league. But if Gayle Benson wants to spend her money on better coaches and front office personnel it's no sweat off my back. If she wants to pay the front office like kings then great. I want to win too and it costs me nothing. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

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03-12-2023, 05:30 PM	#16
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours. Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!! K Major likes this.
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03-13-2023, 08:06 AM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by vpheughan Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!! That player salary portion of that ticket money I fork over is of interest to me. Those are revenues that are mandated per the CBA to be paid out to my players. However, I don't care what is paid to employ coaches or front office personnel. But, yes, who mans those positions is relevant. That I have never denied.