Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year

AsylumGuido · 03-21-2023, 02:41 PM

Well, this is an interesting twist. Someone in the gaming community has confidence in DA this coming season.

BakoSaint · 03-21-2023, 04:02 PM

Very weird. Time for DA homers to put their money where their mouth is and take out a second mortgage.

These names make little sense to me. Jets will probably get Rodgers and they had the same record as us last year and have more money to spend and retain in free agency. Zach Wilson to Aaron Rodgers is a bigger upgrade than Andy Dalton to Derek Carr. Sauce Gardner is a true shutdown corner. Cleveland also had the same record as us and has a QB who could be MVP caliber but played with training camp and very rusty last year. But Clevelands coach is questionable. Jacksonville had Trevor Lawrence make a big jump his first year with a real coach, and what if he makes another jump? It would be easy to see Lawrence ascending to elite QB status and getting the Jags to 12-13 wins and netting Pederson coach of the year.

And sure, Sean Payton is a good coach. But like so is Bill Belichick. So is Pete Carroll. And the latter two have some draft picks and cap space compared to Sean. None have great QBs. I don't buy Payton as an overwhelming favorite for coach of the year. The Broncos lost a lot of games so he will have an easy time doing better, but they have a QB on a very bad contract so he will have a hard time doing a lot better.

I do like Dan Campbell. I think Robert Saleh would be my favorite. Doug Pederson also makes sense to me. Those would be my top 3 candidates.

iceshack149 · 03-21-2023, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Very weird. Time for DA homers to put their money where their mouth is and take out a second mortgage.

These names make little sense to me. Jets will probably get Rodgers and they had the same record as us last year and have more money to spend and retain in free agency. Zach Wilson to Aaron Rodgers is a bigger upgrade than Andy Dalton to Derek Carr. Sauce Gardner is a true shutdown corner. Cleveland also had the same record as us and has a QB who could be MVP caliber but played with training camp and very rusty last year. But Clevelands coach is questionable. Jacksonville had Trevor Lawrence make a big jump his first year with a real coach, and what if he makes another jump? It would be easy to see Lawrence ascending to elite QB status and getting the Jags to 12-13 wins and netting Pederson coach of the year.

And sure, Sean Payton is a good coach. But like so is Bill Belichick. So is Pete Carroll. And the latter two have some draft picks and cap space compared to Sean. None have great QBs. I don't buy Payton as an overwhelming favorite for coach of the year. The Broncos lost a lot of games so he will have an easy time doing better, but they have a QB on a very bad contract so he will have a hard time doing a lot better.

I do like Dan Campbell. I think Robert Saleh would be my favorite. Doug Pederson also makes sense to me. Those would be my top 3 candidates.

If Payton makes it to the postseason with the Broncos in a division with the current Superbowl champions and a good Chargers team then he may deserve the Coach of the Year award.

Regarding Dennis Allen, I sit comfortably on the fence. I don't think he's as terrible as you say he is but I'm not sure that he's a great coach either. However, if you're going to challenge the "DA homers" to put their money where their mouth is I suppose that you, the biggest DA "hater", should do the same. Whatever that means.

Rugby Saint II · 03-21-2023, 05:02 PM

Dennis Allen has drafted or brought in the players who could implement his system, and has been successful as a DC because he had talented players who fit seamlessly. Last year as a head coach he played a backup QB, an injured O-line, a decemated secondary, no true possession receiver, and a developing converted TE with little depth behind him.

Then there were several poor coaching decisions that affected how aggressive the team was from the start of the season. Dennis Allen's approach last season seemed to roll with Payton's scheme and play book while letting the leaders run the team. Training camp was not a challenge and had everyone thinking this tem was ready to continue successfully rolling out the same system using Payton's tired playbook.

There were too many bad calls like running AK between the tackles and not outside very often.Taking playmakers off the field on critical downs wasn't confusing anybody but the fans. Taysom was a non factor until fans screamed about getting him involved. It's a shame when the media has to call you out to change the play before the coaches implement changes to an unsuccessful game plan. Does anybody remember when we were a damn good screen team?

If Pete Carmichael feels good enough about his QB, O-line, RB, and wide receivers, then maybe he can go back to being as aggressive as he was when Sean was out. We have to remember though, that Carmichael was running a fully built Sean Payton team that he had put together. Last year the injuries derailed our chances along with some questionable coaching. Loomis has gone all out to restock the shelves this year and I am hopeful again for the season.

If Dennis allen can take a tougher approach, and be aggressive like Sean Payton, then maybe just maybe, we will surprise a lot of folks and DA is able to earn some respect as a head coach.

A lot of things need to go right, but we've already had a great start in free agency and the draft is deep at our positions of need and we might find that solid depth we were missing last year.

AsylumGuido · 03-21-2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

If Payton makes it to the postseason with the Broncos in a division with the current Superbowl champions and a good Chargers team then he may deserve the Coach of the Year award.

Regarding Dennis Allen, I sit comfortably on the fence. I don't think he's as terrible as you say he is but I'm not sure that he's a great coach either. However, if you're going to challenge the "DA homers" to put their money where their mouth is I suppose that you, the biggest DA "hater", should do the same. Whatever that means.

Gotta say I agree with all of that, ice.

WW_Who_Dat · 03-21-2023, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

If Payton makes it to the postseason with the Broncos in a division with the current Superbowl champions and a good Chargers team then he may deserve the Coach of the Year award.

Regarding Dennis Allen, I sit comfortably on the fence. I don't think he's as terrible as you say he is but I'm not sure that he's a great coach either. However, if you're going to challenge the "DA homers" to put their money where their mouth is I suppose that you, the biggest DA "hater", should do the same. Whatever that means.

Let me start by saying we are Saints fans, some probably the majority of us Saints Fans see to varying degrees consistency in ownership and front office, DA improving his coaching staff this off season with experience coaches he’s familiar with. Progress with the team’s roster in free agency first and most importantly adding a veteran NFL starting QB. Aggressively acquiring talent not just to replace players that moved on but to improve performance and production at those positions. It’s easy to be critical of all things coaching and front office when you just can’t acknowledge that they have had many more successes than failures.

After all the adversity with QB injuries, backup QB play, OL injuries, running back injuries, defensive secondary injuries. In spite of all this DA was able to keep the team together, competing and bought in to his process ending the year with 4 wins out of the last 5 games. I have not heard a single player dumping on DA.

With all the criticism last year during training camp looks like DA and ML got the best value possible for a team cancer who is now on his 3rd team in less than a year. DA and ML got this 100% right.

Mickey and Kai cleared dead money off the books this year, rewrote 4 contracts that keep players on the for less money while creating more cap space.

Saints have been one of the most active team in Free Agency and still have money/cap space to work with. But these guys in the front office are a waste of space, the roster is on verge of collapse and the only solution is to fire the front office, coaching staff and move off the majority of the roster so we can potentially be ready to compete in 3 or 4 years …🤦

I am not a “DA Homer” just a Saints Fan but 1 year with this head coach/any head coach is not a large enough sample to make a really informed call on his and the team’s real potential. But with even just a little bit of objective perspective you have to acknowledge the success DA has had in getting the Saints defense performing as a top 10 defense over the last 4 years.

This year will be important for DA and PC to put the offense in situations to score consistently in the red zone and play for a full 4 quarters.

Last year did not end as we would have liked but I believe they have upgraded all the positions addressed so far during free agency. There is no reason to believe that Saints will not have a successful draft and be able to fill out and strengthen the roster.

WhoDat since 67.

neugey · 03-21-2023, 07:52 PM

If DA wins coach of the year I might run around the block naked

Boston Saint · 03-21-2023, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

If DA wins coach of the year I might run around the block naked

What block do you live on? I’ll try to avoid it! 😝

SmashMouth · 03-21-2023, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

If DA wins coach of the year I might run around the block naked

BakoSaint · 03-21-2023, 09:29 PM

What are the odds on Payton Turner for DPOY? Might be more likely. Turner has fewer years of being bad.

03-21-2023, 02:41 PM	#1
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03-21-2023, 04:02 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year Very weird. Time for DA homers to put their money where their mouth is and take out a second mortgage. These names make little sense to me. Jets will probably get Rodgers and they had the same record as us last year and have more money to spend and retain in free agency. Zach Wilson to Aaron Rodgers is a bigger upgrade than Andy Dalton to Derek Carr. Sauce Gardner is a true shutdown corner. Cleveland also had the same record as us and has a QB who could be MVP caliber but played with training camp and very rusty last year. But Clevelands coach is questionable. Jacksonville had Trevor Lawrence make a big jump his first year with a real coach, and what if he makes another jump? It would be easy to see Lawrence ascending to elite QB status and getting the Jags to 12-13 wins and netting Pederson coach of the year. And sure, Sean Payton is a good coach. But like so is Bill Belichick. So is Pete Carroll. And the latter two have some draft picks and cap space compared to Sean. None have great QBs. I don't buy Payton as an overwhelming favorite for coach of the year. The Broncos lost a lot of games so he will have an easy time doing better, but they have a QB on a very bad contract so he will have a hard time doing a lot better. I do like Dan Campbell. I think Robert Saleh would be my favorite. Doug Pederson also makes sense to me. Those would be my top 3 candidates.
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03-21-2023, 04:18 PM	#3
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year Originally Posted by BakoSaint Very weird. Time for DA homers to put their money where their mouth is and take out a second mortgage. These names make little sense to me. Jets will probably get Rodgers and they had the same record as us last year and have more money to spend and retain in free agency. Zach Wilson to Aaron Rodgers is a bigger upgrade than Andy Dalton to Derek Carr. Sauce Gardner is a true shutdown corner. Cleveland also had the same record as us and has a QB who could be MVP caliber but played with training camp and very rusty last year. But Clevelands coach is questionable. Jacksonville had Trevor Lawrence make a big jump his first year with a real coach, and what if he makes another jump? It would be easy to see Lawrence ascending to elite QB status and getting the Jags to 12-13 wins and netting Pederson coach of the year. And sure, Sean Payton is a good coach. But like so is Bill Belichick. So is Pete Carroll. And the latter two have some draft picks and cap space compared to Sean. None have great QBs. I don't buy Payton as an overwhelming favorite for coach of the year. The Broncos lost a lot of games so he will have an easy time doing better, but they have a QB on a very bad contract so he will have a hard time doing a lot better. I do like Dan Campbell. I think Robert Saleh would be my favorite. Doug Pederson also makes sense to me. Those would be my top 3 candidates. If Payton makes it to the postseason with the Broncos in a division with the current Superbowl champions and a good Chargers team then he may deserve the Coach of the Year award. Regarding Dennis Allen, I sit comfortably on the fence. I don't think he's as terrible as you say he is but I'm not sure that he's a great coach either. However, if you're going to challenge the "DA homers" to put their money where their mouth is I suppose that you, the biggest DA "hater", should do the same. Whatever that means. jnormand, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.
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03-21-2023, 05:02 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year Dennis Allen has drafted or brought in the players who could implement his system, and has been successful as a DC because he had talented players who fit seamlessly. Last year as a head coach he played a backup QB, an injured O-line, a decemated secondary, no true possession receiver, and a developing converted TE with little depth behind him. Then there were several poor coaching decisions that affected how aggressive the team was from the start of the season. Dennis Allen's approach last season seemed to roll with Payton's scheme and play book while letting the leaders run the team. Training camp was not a challenge and had everyone thinking this tem was ready to continue successfully rolling out the same system using Payton's tired playbook. There were too many bad calls like running AK between the tackles and not outside very often.Taking playmakers off the field on critical downs wasn't confusing anybody but the fans. Taysom was a non factor until fans screamed about getting him involved. It's a shame when the media has to call you out to change the play before the coaches implement changes to an unsuccessful game plan. Does anybody remember when we were a damn good screen team? If Pete Carmichael feels good enough about his QB, O-line, RB, and wide receivers, then maybe he can go back to being as aggressive as he was when Sean was out. We have to remember though, that Carmichael was running a fully built Sean Payton team that he had put together. Last year the injuries derailed our chances along with some questionable coaching. Loomis has gone all out to restock the shelves this year and I am hopeful again for the season. If Dennis allen can take a tougher approach, and be aggressive like Sean Payton, then maybe just maybe, we will surprise a lot of folks and DA is able to earn some respect as a head coach. A lot of things need to go right, but we've already had a great start in free agency and the draft is deep at our positions of need and we might find that solid depth we were missing last year. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.
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03-21-2023, 05:22 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year Originally Posted by iceshack149 If Payton makes it to the postseason with the Broncos in a division with the current Superbowl champions and a good Chargers team then he may deserve the Coach of the Year award. Regarding Dennis Allen, I sit comfortably on the fence. I don't think he's as terrible as you say he is but I'm not sure that he's a great coach either. However, if you're going to challenge the "DA homers" to put their money where their mouth is I suppose that you, the biggest DA "hater", should do the same. Whatever that means. Gotta say I agree with all of that, ice.

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WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year Originally Posted by iceshack149 If Payton makes it to the postseason with the Broncos in a division with the current Superbowl champions and a good Chargers team then he may deserve the Coach of the Year award. Regarding Dennis Allen, I sit comfortably on the fence. I don't think he's as terrible as you say he is but I'm not sure that he's a great coach either. However, if you're going to challenge the "DA homers" to put their money where their mouth is I suppose that you, the biggest DA "hater", should do the same. Whatever that means. Let me start by saying we are Saints fans, some probably the majority of us Saints Fans see to varying degrees consistency in ownership and front office, DA improving his coaching staff this off season with experience coaches he’s familiar with. Progress with the team’s roster in free agency first and most importantly adding a veteran NFL starting QB. Aggressively acquiring talent not just to replace players that moved on but to improve performance and production at those positions. It’s easy to be critical of all things coaching and front office when you just can’t acknowledge that they have had many more successes than failures. After all the adversity with QB injuries, backup QB play, OL injuries, running back injuries, defensive secondary injuries. In spite of all this DA was able to keep the team together, competing and bought in to his process ending the year with 4 wins out of the last 5 games. I have not heard a single player dumping on DA. With all the criticism last year during training camp looks like DA and ML got the best value possible for a team cancer who is now on his 3rd team in less than a year. DA and ML got this 100% right. Mickey and Kai cleared dead money off the books this year, rewrote 4 contracts that keep players on the for less money while creating more cap space. Saints have been one of the most active team in Free Agency and still have money/cap space to work with. But these guys in the front office are a waste of space, the roster is on verge of collapse and the only solution is to fire the front office, coaching staff and move off the majority of the roster so we can potentially be ready to compete in 3 or 4 years …🤦 I am not a “DA Homer” just a Saints Fan but 1 year with this head coach/any head coach is not a large enough sample to make a really informed call on his and the team’s real potential. But with even just a little bit of objective perspective you have to acknowledge the success DA has had in getting the Saints defense performing as a top 10 defense over the last 4 years. This year will be important for DA and PC to put the offense in situations to score consistently in the red zone and play for a full 4 quarters. Last year did not end as we would have liked but I believe they have upgraded all the positions addressed so far during free agency. There is no reason to believe that Saints will not have a successful draft and be able to fill out and strengthen the roster. WhoDat since 67. iceshack149, Crusader, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Dennis Allen - 3rd Best Odds to Win Coach of the Year What are the odds on Payton Turner for DPOY? Might be more likely. Turner has fewer years of being bad.
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