Ways To Approach The Draft

AsylumGuido · 04-04-2023, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Call it a platitude if you want but it's something both current and former Saints players as well as coaches invoke quite often, so it must be more tangible than you think.

It is widely known the Saints value high character guys. Other guys appreciate that. You've drawn a comparison between MT and CJ - Players fight. Happens everywhere. Especially in practice. But CJ was given the boot. Thomas is still here. And now CJ is on his third team in as many years...

For every Peat there's a McCoy, Ramczyk, Armstead, Evans and Strief.
For every CJ there's a Harper, Demario, Lofton and Vilma.

Bako obviously doesn't see the "strong locker room thing" because he isn't in the locker room like all of those individuals that ARE in the locker room that are constantly speaking about the "strong locker room".

Rugby Saint II · 04-04-2023, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Strong locker room seems like a platitude. How is CGJ and Michael Thomas fighting strong? How is Alvin Kamara caring about the team, but caring more about about what some rando says to him at the pro bowl, strong? How is Andrus Peat filling his locker with little debbie snack cakes and struggling to bench an inflatable doll strong? How is Michael Thomas not returning calls when he needs surgery strong? How is CGJ one of our young defensive leaders we targeted in the draft forcing his way off the team strong? We have a locker room. It has players in it. But its not clear to me what makes our locker room strong. One would think it would involve players staying out of trouble, listening to coaches, making big sacrifices and showing up in better shape, etc, but I can't see how we are leading the league in any of those things. We have some good talents on defense. We used to be good at drafting oline. We have some exciting offensive weapons. But I just don't see the strong locker room thing.

And even if you only target a limited number of players this year, don't trade away future picks. I am sure there would have been someone available at 10th overall we would have liked this year, but we de-targeted them by trading away the pick for impatience.

There's a couple of different ways to look at a strong locker room. There is weight room strong and there's strong leadership like Drew brought to the team. Payton didn't tolerate recliners in the locker room and quickly cleared the roster of players who valued themselves above the team. We are not the Raiders bad boys. Thank God! We are America's team. Only jealous people who are envious don't love us!

CJGJ is a prime example of how the Saints value high character players and what happens when they step outside their parameters. He dropped down the draft board because of character concerns where we drafted him in the fourth round iirc. He played balls out but wasn't a good fit and was moved for pennies on the dollar when he got aggressive with the front office. I bet Loomis regrets drafting him now. We generally draft players who are highly motivated and not just by money.

I'm fine with Thomas not returning phone calls. Our medical staff is medieval and sent him out when he wasn't ready before. Peat? He's the Pillsbury dough boy. Nuff' said. AK made a bad decision without a doubt, but that doesn't mean he's a detriment to the team. It's not like we're not paying him if he's suspended.

We've got a solid core of strong men to move forward with. Now, let's just keep them healthy and draft well.

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Rugby Saint II · 04-04-2023, 06:38 PM

I'd like to see a trade for a player in the draft year. It's been awhile since
we traded a for a player on draft day. Maybe a DT/DE.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2023, 02:24 PM

The attached graphic shows that the Saints had the highest percentile of successful draft picks of all teams in the NFL between 2011 and 2019. I believe the reason it only goes through 2019 is because "success" is being determined by factors in the years subsequent to the year drafted.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2023, 02:28 PM

It is pretty clear that the average success rate of drafted NFL players is right at 50% by looking at the above graphic.

Rugby Saint II · 04-11-2023, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The attached graphic shows that the Saints had the highest percentile of successful draft picks of all teams in the NFL between 2011 and 2019. I believe the reason it only goes through 2019 is because "success" is being determined by factors in the years subsequent to the year drafted.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Brad/status/1644015264302768130

There is no arguing with our drafting strategy.

04-04-2023, 09:44 AM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Ways To Approach The Draft Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Call it a platitude if you want but it's something both current and former Saints players as well as coaches invoke quite often, so it must be more tangible than you think. It is widely known the Saints value high character guys. Other guys appreciate that. You've drawn a comparison between MT and CJ - Players fight. Happens everywhere. Especially in practice. But CJ was given the boot. Thomas is still here. And now CJ is on his third team in as many years... For every Peat there's a McCoy, Ramczyk, Armstead, Evans and Strief. For every CJ there's a Harper, Demario, Lofton and Vilma. Bako obviously doesn't see the "strong locker room thing" because he isn't in the locker room like all of those individuals that ARE in the locker room that are constantly speaking about the "strong locker room".

04-04-2023, 02:54 PM	#22
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: Ways To Approach The Draft Originally Posted by BakoSaint Strong locker room seems like a platitude. How is CGJ and Michael Thomas fighting strong? How is Alvin Kamara caring about the team, but caring more about about what some rando says to him at the pro bowl, strong? How is Andrus Peat filling his locker with little debbie snack cakes and struggling to bench an inflatable doll strong? How is Michael Thomas not returning calls when he needs surgery strong? How is CGJ one of our young defensive leaders we targeted in the draft forcing his way off the team strong? We have a locker room. It has players in it. But its not clear to me what makes our locker room strong. One would think it would involve players staying out of trouble, listening to coaches, making big sacrifices and showing up in better shape, etc, but I can't see how we are leading the league in any of those things. We have some good talents on defense. We used to be good at drafting oline. We have some exciting offensive weapons. But I just don't see the strong locker room thing. And even if you only target a limited number of players this year, don't trade away future picks. I am sure there would have been someone available at 10th overall we would have liked this year, but we de-targeted them by trading away the pick for impatience. There's a couple of different ways to look at a strong locker room. There is weight room strong and there's strong leadership like Drew brought to the team. Payton didn't tolerate recliners in the locker room and quickly cleared the roster of players who valued themselves above the team. We are not the Raiders bad boys. Thank God! We are America's team. Only jealous people who are envious don't love us! CJGJ is a prime example of how the Saints value high character players and what happens when they step outside their parameters. He dropped down the draft board because of character concerns where we drafted him in the fourth round iirc. He played balls out but wasn't a good fit and was moved for pennies on the dollar when he got aggressive with the front office. I bet Loomis regrets drafting him now. We generally draft players who are highly motivated and not just by money. I'm fine with Thomas not returning phone calls. Our medical staff is medieval and sent him out when he wasn't ready before. Peat? He's the Pillsbury dough boy. Nuff' said. AK made a bad decision without a doubt, but that doesn't mean he's a detriment to the team. It's not like we're not paying him if he's suspended. We've got a solid core of strong men to move forward with. Now, let's just keep them healthy and draft well. ...............
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04-04-2023, 06:38 PM	#23
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: Ways To Approach The Draft I'd like to see a trade for a player in the draft year. It's been awhile since we traded a for a player on draft day. Maybe a DT/DE.

04-06-2023, 02:24 PM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Ways To Approach The Draft The attached graphic shows that the Saints had the highest percentile of successful draft picks of all teams in the NFL between 2011 and 2019. I believe the reason it only goes through 2019 is because "success" is being determined by factors in the years subsequent to the year drafted. Twitter

04-06-2023, 02:28 PM	#25
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Ways To Approach The Draft It is pretty clear that the average success rate of drafted NFL players is right at 50% by looking at the above graphic. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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04-11-2023, 10:59 AM	#26
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: Ways To Approach The Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The attached graphic shows that the Saints had the highest percentile of successful draft picks of all teams in the NFL between 2011 and 2019. I believe the reason it only goes through 2019 is because "success" is being determined by factors in the years subsequent to the year drafted. https://twitter.com/PFF_Brad/status/1644015264302768130 There is no arguing with our drafting strategy.