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Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Bako’s obsessive hate for Loomis and his cap management is legionary … frequently overstated or predicting all the worst possible front office, coaching, roster building scenarios at a minimum. What I have is understanding of what ...

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Old 05-01-2023, 01:09 AM   #1
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener

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Bako’s obsessive hate for Loomis and his cap management is legionary … frequently overstated or predicting all the worst possible front office, coaching, roster building scenarios at a minimum.
What I have is understanding of what Loomis does with the cap. I may not like it, but at least I understand it. Carr’s base salary in 2024 is $30 million. Based on all past precedent, $29 million will be converted to a prorated bonus. The same is true in 2025. So, thats $58 million in a two year period that will be converted to prorated money. About 75% or $43.5 million will end up due in 2026 forward, in addition to $11.5 million of Carr’s original signing bonus that is already proroated to 2026 and beyond. That means Carr will have a dead cap of $55 million if cut before the 2026 season after those expected restructures.

Everyone said Peat and Thomas were both gone this offseason. Instead they were both restructured to avoid much smaller dead cap hits than $55 million. There is zero chance Carr won’t be on the roster in 2026 if Loomis is the GM. Its not hate it reality. Not restructuring a contract that big and taking the cap medicine is not in Loomis’ DNA. We would have to go full rebuild to part with Carr or else go into austerity mode to stop restructuring and take painful cap hits over time and neither is happening under Loomis. We will defer every cap dollar we can which will make the dead cap to cut bigger every year which will lead to a more urgent restructure every year.
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener

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What I have is understanding of what Loomis does with the cap. I may not like it, but at least I understand it. Carr’s base salary in 2024 is $30 million. Based on all past precedent, $29 million will be converted to a prorated bonus. The same is true in 2025. So, thats $58 million in a two year period that will be converted to prorated money. About 75% or $43.5 million will end up due in 2026 forward, in addition to $11.5 million of Carr’s original signing bonus that is already proroated to 2026 and beyond. That means Carr will have a dead cap of $55 million if cut before the 2026 season after those expected restructures.

Everyone said Peat and Thomas were both gone this offseason. Instead they were both restructured to avoid much smaller dead cap hits than $55 million. There is zero chance Carr won’t be on the roster in 2026 if Loomis is the GM. It's not hate it reality. Not restructuring a contract that big and taking the cap medicine is not in Loomis’ DNA. We would have to go full rebuild to part with Carr or else go into austerity mode to stop restructuring and take painful cap hits over time and neither is happening under Loomis. We will defer every cap dollar we can which will make the dead cap to cut bigger every year which will lead to a more urgent restructure every year.
You're not wrong ... and we'll see how Carr performs.

Jordan Love is set to take over in GB. He's been the backup for a few years. The same situation may happen here with Haener.
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Old 05-01-2023, 07:49 AM   #3
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You're not wrong ... and we'll see how Carr performs.

Jordan Love is set to take over in GB. He's been the backup for a few years. The same situation may happen here with Haener.
How many rookie QB's did Green Bay go through while Aaron Rodgers was the starter? Love is only the last the last of them. How many rookie QB's did Green Bay go through while Brett Favre was the starter? Rodgers was only the last of them. How many rookie QB's will New Orleans go through while Derek Carr is the starter? I don't think Haener will be the last of them.
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Old 05-01-2023, 12:24 PM   #4
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener

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How many rookie QB's did Green Bay go through while Aaron Rodgers was the starter? Love is only the last the last of them. How many rookie QB's did Green Bay go through while Brett Favre was the starter? Rodgers was only the last of them. How many rookie QB's will New Orleans go through while Derek Carr is the starter? I don't think Haener will be the last of them.
Here's 4 that Started For Other Teams (3 Ex Saints)
Matt Hasselbeck
Aaron Brooks(Smiling All The While After Each INT!)
Mark Brunell
Matt Flynn
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