Saints Management

AsylumGuido · 05-02-2023, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Two people picked Sad Times?

My money's on Bako and mapcow.

Boston Saint · 05-02-2023, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My money's on Bako and mapcow.

You beat me to it.

Rugby Saint II · 05-06-2023, 03:12 PM

We've been contenders almost every year. Poor health and bad refereeing has held us back at the absolutely worst times, and yet, we still had one of the best records in the NFL for years regardless of the set backs and bad officiating. We have above average production from the FO, but we have an excellent accounting department who keeps this mad system afloat. Loomis makes his share of mistakes but he seems to learn from them and I'm fine with that. Dennis Allen still makes me queasy though.

BakoSaint · 05-06-2023, 04:25 PM

Yes I was a vote for sad times. We are 7-10 and doubled down on the same approach while breaking the bank for the next Drew Bledsoe, and ok mod career qb we shut out.

Interesting article below. Chiefs and Bills go with my philosophy. Rams prefer Mickeys but at least rebuild when it falls apart. Not many credible GMs believe you can have success going all in every year and refusing to rebuild. Mickey is one of the few.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...g-a-tear-down/

iceshack149 · 05-07-2023, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Yes I was a vote for sad times. We are 7-10 and doubled down on the same approach while breaking the bank for the next Drew Bledsoe, and ok mod career qb we shut out.

Interesting article below. Chiefs and Bills go with my philosophy. Rams prefer Mickeys but at least rebuild when it falls apart. Not many credible GMs believe you can have success going all in every year and refusing to rebuild. Mickey is one of the few.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...g-a-tear-down/

Let's keep things in perspective. The Bills have never won a Superbowl. Also, they're in a very enviable position in that they have one of the best QB's in the league and he's young. The Chiefs too. We knew that the Saints would struggle until they found the next great QB. I don't believe that Derek Carr is great but I think that he's close to one of the top ten QB's in the NFL. Why blow things up if both your O-line and D-lines are good, your defense is really good and the offense has talented players at the specialty positions?

I am on the fence with coaching on this team but you can't convince me that Mrs. Benson, Loomis, Hartley, and Ireland make up one of the worst run teams in the NFL.

AsylumGuido · 05-07-2023, 09:59 AM

Tearing down and rebuilding routinely leads to the front office and coaching staff being fired after two or three seasons of three or four wins. No thank you.

Boston Saint · 05-07-2023, 11:33 AM

You could say it all depends upon how one defines “Sad times”. If you want to say it’s keeping your team from sucking then let’s take a look.

Since 2000 the Saints have had only 1 season with fewer than 7 wins…a 3 win season when Katrina hit. Let’s do some comparisons. During that same time….

KC has two 2 win seasons and two 4 win seasons

Baltimore..two 5 and one 6

Green Bay…one 4 and two 6

Buffalo…one 3,4, and 5 along with multiple 6s.

SF has two 2s. Two 4s and a 5.

Pittsburg has one 6 win. Otherwise they have been very good with their next lowest total wins a season going to 2000 is four 8 win seasons.

Patriots are clearly the best and have outperformed all teams by this matrix, but even Bill B only managed 5 wins his first year coaching the Pats in 2000. So Allen did better his first year coaching the Saints.

So pointing to teams like Browns, Jags, Jets, Detroit and Houston seem like they have had hard times to me. Yes, some of these teams might seem like they are poised to succeed in the near future. But time will tell and they have had to go through many worse seasons than what the Saints put on the field last year to get to the point they are now.

AsylumGuido · 05-07-2023, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You could say it all depends upon how one defines “Sad times”. If you want to say it’s keeping your team from sucking then let’s take a look.

Since 2000 the Saints have had only 1 season with fewer than 7 wins…a 3 win season when Katrina hit. Let’s do some comparisons. During that same time….

KC has two 2 win seasons and two 4 win seasons

Baltimore..two 5 and one 6

Green Bay…one 4 and two 6

Buffalo…one 3,4, and 5 along with multiple 6s.

SF has two 2s. Two 4s and a 5.

Pittsburg has one 6 win. Otherwise they have been very good with their next lowest total wins a season going to 2000 is four 8 win seasons.

Patriots are clearly the best and have outperformed all teams by this matrix, but even Bill B only managed 5 wins his first year coaching the Pats in 2000. So Allen did better his first year coaching the Saints.

So pointing to teams like Browns, Jags, Jets, Detroit and Houston seem like they have had hard times to me. Yes, some of these teams might seem like they are poised to succeed in the near future. But time will tell and they have had to go through many worse seasons than what the Saints put on the field last year to get to the point they are now.

Too logical, Boston. Hatred is is blind to logic.

Boston Saint · 05-07-2023, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Too logical, Boston. Hatred is is blind to logic.

I’m willing to have discussions about it. My father and I often compare Saint’s seasons against other franchises. I’m not oblivious to mistakes they’ve made. If bako feels we are in “sad” times compared to other teams because we are less likely to win this year’s SB than some other teams then I’d agree with him. Philly, KC and a few other teams are in more favorable positions than us without a doubt in my mind.

AsylumGuido · 05-07-2023, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m willing to have discussions about it. My father and I often compare Saint’s seasons against other franchises. I’m not oblivious to mistakes they’ve made. If bako feels we are in “sad” times compared to other teams because we are less likely to win this year’s SB than some other teams then I’d agree with him. Philly, KC and a few other teams are in more favorable positions than us without a doubt in my mind.

We are favorites to win our division and make the playoffs. That is by no definition "sad times" that Bako imagines we are living in. Our front office is among the most respected in the entire league. Just because Bako is living in some bizzaro world of antiquated NFL management logic in no way means anyone else sees the unprecedented success, in Saints historical terms, as being in "sad times".

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05-02-2023, 05:13 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Management Originally Posted by iceshack149 Two people picked Sad Times? My money's on Bako and mapcow.

05-02-2023, 05:20 PM	#12
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Management Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My money's on Bako and mapcow. You beat me to it. AsylumGuido likes this.

05-06-2023, 03:12 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints Management We've been contenders almost every year. Poor health and bad refereeing has held us back at the absolutely worst times, and yet, we still had one of the best records in the NFL for years regardless of the set backs and bad officiating. We have above average production from the FO, but we have an excellent accounting department who keeps this mad system afloat. Loomis makes his share of mistakes but he seems to learn from them and I'm fine with that. Dennis Allen still makes me queasy though. Thirty3 likes this.

05-06-2023, 04:25 PM	#14
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Saints Management Yes I was a vote for sad times. We are 7-10 and doubled down on the same approach while breaking the bank for the next Drew Bledsoe, and ok mod career qb we shut out. Interesting article below. Chiefs and Bills go with my philosophy. Rams prefer Mickeys but at least rebuild when it falls apart. Not many credible GMs believe you can have success going all in every year and refusing to rebuild. Mickey is one of the few. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...g-a-tear-down/
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05-07-2023, 01:47 AM	#15
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Management Originally Posted by BakoSaint Yes I was a vote for sad times. We are 7-10 and doubled down on the same approach while breaking the bank for the next Drew Bledsoe, and ok mod career qb we shut out. Interesting article below. Chiefs and Bills go with my philosophy. Rams prefer Mickeys but at least rebuild when it falls apart. Not many credible GMs believe you can have success going all in every year and refusing to rebuild. Mickey is one of the few. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...g-a-tear-down/ Let's keep things in perspective. The Bills have never won a Superbowl. Also, they're in a very enviable position in that they have one of the best QB's in the league and he's young. The Chiefs too. We knew that the Saints would struggle until they found the next great QB. I don't believe that Derek Carr is great but I think that he's close to one of the top ten QB's in the NFL. Why blow things up if both your O-line and D-lines are good, your defense is really good and the offense has talented players at the specialty positions? I am on the fence with coaching on this team but you can't convince me that Mrs. Benson, Loomis, Hartley, and Ireland make up one of the worst run teams in the NFL. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.
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05-07-2023, 09:59 AM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Management Tearing down and rebuilding routinely leads to the front office and coaching staff being fired after two or three seasons of three or four wins. No thank you.

05-07-2023, 11:33 AM	#17
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Management You could say it all depends upon how one defines “Sad times”. If you want to say it’s keeping your team from sucking then let’s take a look. Since 2000 the Saints have had only 1 season with fewer than 7 wins…a 3 win season when Katrina hit. Let’s do some comparisons. During that same time…. KC has two 2 win seasons and two 4 win seasons Baltimore..two 5 and one 6 Green Bay…one 4 and two 6 Buffalo…one 3,4, and 5 along with multiple 6s. SF has two 2s. Two 4s and a 5. Pittsburg has one 6 win. Otherwise they have been very good with their next lowest total wins a season going to 2000 is four 8 win seasons. Patriots are clearly the best and have outperformed all teams by this matrix, but even Bill B only managed 5 wins his first year coaching the Pats in 2000. So Allen did better his first year coaching the Saints. So pointing to teams like Browns, Jags, Jets, Detroit and Houston seem like they have had hard times to me. Yes, some of these teams might seem like they are poised to succeed in the near future. But time will tell and they have had to go through many worse seasons than what the Saints put on the field last year to get to the point they are now. iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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05-07-2023, 11:50 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Management Originally Posted by Boston Saint You could say it all depends upon how one defines “Sad times”. If you want to say it’s keeping your team from sucking then let’s take a look. Since 2000 the Saints have had only 1 season with fewer than 7 wins…a 3 win season when Katrina hit. Let’s do some comparisons. During that same time…. KC has two 2 win seasons and two 4 win seasons Baltimore..two 5 and one 6 Green Bay…one 4 and two 6 Buffalo…one 3,4, and 5 along with multiple 6s. SF has two 2s. Two 4s and a 5. Pittsburg has one 6 win. Otherwise they have been very good with their next lowest total wins a season going to 2000 is four 8 win seasons. Patriots are clearly the best and have outperformed all teams by this matrix, but even Bill B only managed 5 wins his first year coaching the Pats in 2000. So Allen did better his first year coaching the Saints. So pointing to teams like Browns, Jags, Jets, Detroit and Houston seem like they have had hard times to me. Yes, some of these teams might seem like they are poised to succeed in the near future. But time will tell and they have had to go through many worse seasons than what the Saints put on the field last year to get to the point they are now. Too logical, Boston. Hatred is is blind to logic.

05-07-2023, 12:47 PM	#19
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Management Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Too logical, Boston. Hatred is is blind to logic. I’m willing to have discussions about it. My father and I often compare Saint’s seasons against other franchises. I’m not oblivious to mistakes they’ve made. If bako feels we are in “sad” times compared to other teams because we are less likely to win this year’s SB than some other teams then I’d agree with him. Philly, KC and a few other teams are in more favorable positions than us without a doubt in my mind.

05-07-2023, 01:14 PM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Management Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m willing to have discussions about it. My father and I often compare Saint’s seasons against other franchises. I’m not oblivious to mistakes they’ve made. If bako feels we are in “sad” times compared to other teams because we are less likely to win this year’s SB than some other teams then I’d agree with him. Philly, KC and a few other teams are in more favorable positions than us without a doubt in my mind. We are favorites to win our division and make the playoffs. That is by no definition "sad times" that Bako imagines we are living in. Our front office is among the most respected in the entire league. Just because Bako is living in some bizzaro world of antiquated NFL management logic in no way means anyone else sees the unprecedented success, in Saints historical terms, as being in "sad times".