2023 Saints OTA Thread

Boston Saint · 05-25-2023, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

If you haven't noticed, that's pretty much what a lot of the league is doing. Many teams around the league are only having structured practices during training camp, sitting starters for preseason games, of which there is now even one less than before and only rolling folks out Week 1. Did you notice that teams will carry 90 until the final cut this year. There's a reason for that.

You and I have a fundamental disagreement. You believe that teams get better by practicing. I believe that teams do better when they remain healthy during the season. 17 games + playoffs is a long haul in a season for players. They don't get any favors extending that 3 months more just to practice. That's just 3 months more wear and tear before the season actually starts.

I'm not sure why you cannot see that all the practice in the world isn't going to matter if key players are sitting on the sideline injured during the season. Now if a player gets injured during the season, well thems the breaks. But risking injury going full go in minicamp, or training camp, or preseason games, when absolutely nothing counts is borderline insane, especially for veteran starters that the team is absolutely going to need when the games start to matter.

I worry most about the skill players. While QBs are pretty much playing pitch and catch, backs, receivers, and DBs, even in shorts, have a significant risk of a setback.

I'm not sure why you think these professional grown men who have been playing this game full time since they were kids somehow forget how to run a route, catch a ball, or defend a receiver? There's going to be plenty of time in training camp to get acclimated to the speed of the game and get the timing down.

I now understand why the players union fought so hard to make the OTAs voluntary. Without those protections, there are some who would expect everyone to come out in May and grind like it's playoff time in January.

You can keep your practices in May. I'd rather have healthy players ready to play during the season.

SFIAH

Oh look! Here is an article about Mahomes participating in OTA’s

https://theathletic.com/4550260/2023...mahomes/?amp=1

I guess the current SB champs are making a big mistake! I’m pretty sure every other NFL tteam is having them now too, so no… teams aren’t skipping them out of health concerns.

Obviously staying healthy is needed. But guys get hurt lifting weights. They get hurt at home doing daily activities too. Should they bubble wrap themselves until the first game of the season? The idea that teams DON’t get better by practicing is nonsense and you know it even if you won’t admit it. I guess all the extra work Brees put in had nothing to do with his success, huh? Again, you are arguing just to argue now.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2023, 12:19 PM

It takes two to tango.

K Major · 05-25-2023, 12:34 PM

Depending on which team/organization you ask, you'll get a different opinion on how they view OTA's.

Some coaches view it as a way to identify and EVALUATE young talent. Not specifically starters but DEPTH. The good teams (Dallas, Philly, Niners, Vikings) are after QUALITY depth. Not just guys. So when training camp rolls around, they already have a good idea of who they'll assemble on the roster.

Bill B canceled his final pair of OTA's last season as a reward for having a strong off-season.

When training camp starts, then it gets real.

I'm looking forward to the joint training camps with the Saints/Chargers later this summer.

June is almost here

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2023, 12:38 PM

Speaking of OTA's, the Patriots and Belichick just lost two of their sessions.

“An observer from the NFL Players Association believed that one of the optional early offseason meetings was a violation, because the 15-minute meeting in question (a special-teams session) was made visible on the internal schedule,” Florio wrote, continuing, “in the opinion of the NFLPA, placing the meeting on the formal schedule converted it from ‘optional’ to ‘mandatory.'”

The NFL CBA includes rigid guidelines about how often and for how long players can be required to be in the team facility during the offseason program. There are also limits on how much time players can spend with coaches in certain settings. It sounds like this meeting, and the way it was scheduled, may have encroached on those guidelines.

K Major · 05-25-2023, 12:41 PM

K Major · 05-25-2023, 12:42 PM

Boston Saint · 05-25-2023, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It takes two to tango.

Yet another thing you are wrong about…

YouTube

K Major · 05-25-2023, 12:46 PM

BostonSaint, LOL.

My man

!

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2023, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yet another thing you are wrong about…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qywqjm...FuY2luZyBzb2xv

Nice dancing. But without a partner it is not a tango. It is half a tango.

"an energetic dance from South America for two people"

SmashMouth · 05-25-2023, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yet another thing you are wrong about…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qywqjm...FuY2luZyBzb2xv

It seems more fun with a partner, though... is it twelve o'clock yet?

YouTube (Short URL)

05-25-2023, 11:53 AM	#41
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2023 Saints OTA Thread Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL If you haven't noticed, that's pretty much what a lot of the league is doing. Many teams around the league are only having structured practices during training camp, sitting starters for preseason games, of which there is now even one less than before and only rolling folks out Week 1. Did you notice that teams will carry 90 until the final cut this year. There's a reason for that. You and I have a fundamental disagreement. You believe that teams get better by practicing. I believe that teams do better when they remain healthy during the season. 17 games + playoffs is a long haul in a season for players. They don't get any favors extending that 3 months more just to practice. That's just 3 months more wear and tear before the season actually starts. I'm not sure why you cannot see that all the practice in the world isn't going to matter if key players are sitting on the sideline injured during the season. Now if a player gets injured during the season, well thems the breaks. But risking injury going full go in minicamp, or training camp, or preseason games, when absolutely nothing counts is borderline insane, especially for veteran starters that the team is absolutely going to need when the games start to matter. I worry most about the skill players. While QBs are pretty much playing pitch and catch, backs, receivers, and DBs, even in shorts, have a significant risk of a setback. I'm not sure why you think these professional grown men who have been playing this game full time since they were kids somehow forget how to run a route, catch a ball, or defend a receiver? There's going to be plenty of time in training camp to get acclimated to the speed of the game and get the timing down. I now understand why the players union fought so hard to make the OTAs voluntary. Without those protections, there are some who would expect everyone to come out in May and grind like it's playoff time in January. You can keep your practices in May. I'd rather have healthy players ready to play during the season. SFIAH Oh look! Here is an article about Mahomes participating in OTA’s https://theathletic.com/4550260/2023...mahomes/?amp=1 I guess the current SB champs are making a big mistake! I’m pretty sure every other NFL tteam is having them now too, so no… teams aren’t skipping them out of health concerns. Obviously staying healthy is needed. But guys get hurt lifting weights. They get hurt at home doing daily activities too. Should they bubble wrap themselves until the first game of the season? The idea that teams DON’t get better by practicing is nonsense and you know it even if you won’t admit it. I guess all the extra work Brees put in had nothing to do with his success, huh? Again, you are arguing just to argue now.
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05-25-2023, 12:19 PM	#42
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2023 Saints OTA Thread Depending on which team/organization you ask, you'll get a different opinion on how they view OTA's. Some coaches view it as a way to identify and EVALUATE young talent. Not specifically starters but DEPTH. The good teams (Dallas, Philly, Niners, Vikings) are after QUALITY depth. Not just guys. So when training camp rolls around, they already have a good idea of who they'll assemble on the roster. Bill B canceled his final pair of OTA's last season as a reward for having a strong off-season. When training camp starts, then it gets real. I'm looking forward to the joint training camps with the Saints/Chargers later this summer. June is almost here

05-25-2023, 12:38 PM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2023 Saints OTA Thread Speaking of OTA's, the Patriots and Belichick just lost two of their sessions. Twitter “An observer from the NFL Players Association believed that one of the optional early offseason meetings was a violation, because the 15-minute meeting in question (a special-teams session) was made visible on the internal schedule,” Florio wrote, continuing, “in the opinion of the NFLPA, placing the meeting on the formal schedule converted it from ‘optional’ to ‘mandatory.'” The NFL CBA includes rigid guidelines about how often and for how long players can be required to be in the team facility during the offseason program. There are also limits on how much time players can spend with coaches in certain settings. It sounds like this meeting, and the way it was scheduled, may have encroached on those guidelines.
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05-25-2023, 12:55 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2023 Saints OTA Thread Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yet another thing you are wrong about… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qywqjm...FuY2luZyBzb2xv Nice dancing. But without a partner it is not a tango. It is half a tango. "an energetic dance from South America for two people"