Jadaveon clowney

BakoSaint · 08-19-2023, 03:18 PM

I feel like Jadaveon Clowney is the defense version of Andrus Peat. Flashed potential, not consistent, always hurt. I am glad we did not somehow end up being able to draft Jadaveon Clowney because if we did, he would probably still be on the team, maybe making about 3x the $2.5 million I am glad we passed on Clowney for, and we would be praising him for agreeing to take a pay cut and help defer the $20 million in dead money we would owe if he moved on, and bragging about how many 1st round picks we had on our dline.

They are very similar players. Both born in 1993. Both somehow made 3 pro bowls based on the reputation of the offense/defense they played for, while never been seen as dominant players in the pros. Both tend to play more than half the season but always miss games, creating chaos in their rotations, and often playing and producing at less than 100%. Peat has played Guard and Tackle, Clowney has played DE and OLB. I think if we had not been fools resigning Peat, he would have bounced around the league to a new team every year just like Clowney, and would probably sign for around $2.5 million this year.

rezburna · 08-19-2023, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I feel like Jadaveon Clowney is the defense version of Andrus Peat. Flashed potential, not consistent, always hurt. I am glad we did not somehow end up being able to draft Jadaveon Clowney because if we did, he would probably still be on the team, maybe making about 3x the $2.5 million I am glad we passed on Clowney for, and we would be praising him for agreeing to take a pay cut and help defer the $20 million in dead money we would owe if he moved on, and bragging about how many 1st round picks we had on our dline.

They are very similar players. Both born in 1993. Both somehow made 3 pro bowls based on the reputation of the offense/defense they played for, while never been seen as dominant players in the pros. Both tend to play more than half the season but always miss games, creating chaos in their rotations, and often playing and producing at less than 100%. Peat has played Guard and Tackle, Clowney has played DE and OLB. I think if we had not been fools resigning Peat, he would have bounced around the league to a new team every year just like Clowney, and would probably sign for around $2.5 million this year.

Clowney has been much better than Peat. He’s very disruptive and is an elite rune defender. He also hasn’t really played two positions. He’s been an EDGE his entire career. He never played as a true, 4-3 LB. He was a 3-4 EDGE rusher which show versatility for schemes. Peat had to move to guard because he was trash at tackle. Clowney has maintained his position as an EDGE. He hasn’t put up the crazy sack numbers but he’s been a great player for a long time. His problem is attitude and entitlement

Sainters7 · 08-19-2023, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Turner, Foskey, and Granderson.

At some point, you have to develop your draft picks. That's what the teams that are always contending (post-season run) do every year.

The same goes for Breesee. He'll "flash" this season but it takes time.

The gross part is that the Saints HAVE focused on both DL and OL fairly heavily with 1st round picks and other early round picks in recent years, unfortunately they've whiffed a lot with the selections it seems. Frustrating.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2023, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sainters7

The gross part is that the Saints HAVE focused on both DL and OL fairly heavily with 1st round picks and other early round picks in recent years, unfortunately they've whiffed a lot with the selections it seems. Frustrating.

It happens. Drafting is, at best, an inexact science. Especially when dealing with humans that are on average twice as big as the average person and counting on them being twice as athletic.

But, that's no reason to stop trying.

Sainters7 · 08-19-2023, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It happens. Drafting is, at best, an inexact science. Especially when dealing with humans that are on average twice as big as the average person and counting on them being twice as athletic.

But, that's no reason to stop trying.

Oh I agree, and they definitely shouldn't stop. It's just annoying both lines are arguably the biggest weak points on the team given how much draft capital they've sunk into them the past few years, it should be the strength of the team. The Payton Turner pick was just bizarre.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2023, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Oh I agree, and they definitely shouldn't stop. It's just annoying both lines are arguably the biggest weak points on the team given how much draft capital they've sunk into them the past few years, it should be the strength of the team. The Payton Turner pick was just bizarre.

I've not given up on Turner and I believe our offensive line can be elite IF they can just stay healthy. And if our defensive line is a weak point then I think we are poised to win it all.

Rugby Saint II · 08-20-2023, 03:03 PM

You have to draft the right players but you need the right coaches to develop those players. Apparently, we don't draft well in the first round. Sometimes. Yeah. But not often enough. Plus, there's that injury bug thing that follows us around that limits player development.

08-19-2023, 03:18 PM	#11
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Jadaveon clowney I feel like Jadaveon Clowney is the defense version of Andrus Peat. Flashed potential, not consistent, always hurt. I am glad we did not somehow end up being able to draft Jadaveon Clowney because if we did, he would probably still be on the team, maybe making about 3x the $2.5 million I am glad we passed on Clowney for, and we would be praising him for agreeing to take a pay cut and help defer the $20 million in dead money we would owe if he moved on, and bragging about how many 1st round picks we had on our dline. They are very similar players. Both born in 1993. Both somehow made 3 pro bowls based on the reputation of the offense/defense they played for, while never been seen as dominant players in the pros. Both tend to play more than half the season but always miss games, creating chaos in their rotations, and often playing and producing at less than 100%. Peat has played Guard and Tackle, Clowney has played DE and OLB. I think if we had not been fools resigning Peat, he would have bounced around the league to a new team every year just like Clowney, and would probably sign for around $2.5 million this year. jnormand likes this.
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08-19-2023, 03:27 PM	#12
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Jadaveon clowney Originally Posted by BakoSaint I feel like Jadaveon Clowney is the defense version of Andrus Peat. Flashed potential, not consistent, always hurt. I am glad we did not somehow end up being able to draft Jadaveon Clowney because if we did, he would probably still be on the team, maybe making about 3x the $2.5 million I am glad we passed on Clowney for, and we would be praising him for agreeing to take a pay cut and help defer the $20 million in dead money we would owe if he moved on, and bragging about how many 1st round picks we had on our dline. They are very similar players. Both born in 1993. Both somehow made 3 pro bowls based on the reputation of the offense/defense they played for, while never been seen as dominant players in the pros. Both tend to play more than half the season but always miss games, creating chaos in their rotations, and often playing and producing at less than 100%. Peat has played Guard and Tackle, Clowney has played DE and OLB. I think if we had not been fools resigning Peat, he would have bounced around the league to a new team every year just like Clowney, and would probably sign for around $2.5 million this year. Clowney has been much better than Peat. He’s very disruptive and is an elite rune defender. He also hasn’t really played two positions. He’s been an EDGE his entire career. He never played as a true, 4-3 LB. He was a 3-4 EDGE rusher which show versatility for schemes. Peat had to move to guard because he was trash at tackle. Clowney has maintained his position as an EDGE. He hasn’t put up the crazy sack numbers but he’s been a great player for a long time. His problem is attitude and entitlement
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08-19-2023, 06:36 PM	#13
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: Jadaveon clowney Originally Posted by K Major Turner, Foskey, and Granderson. At some point, you have to develop your draft picks. That's what the teams that are always contending (post-season run) do every year. The same goes for Breesee. He'll "flash" this season but it takes time. The gross part is that the Saints HAVE focused on both DL and OL fairly heavily with 1st round picks and other early round picks in recent years, unfortunately they've whiffed a lot with the selections it seems. Frustrating. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-19-2023, 06:49 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Jadaveon clowney Originally Posted by Sainters7 The gross part is that the Saints HAVE focused on both DL and OL fairly heavily with 1st round picks and other early round picks in recent years, unfortunately they've whiffed a lot with the selections it seems. Frustrating. It happens. Drafting is, at best, an inexact science. Especially when dealing with humans that are on average twice as big as the average person and counting on them being twice as athletic. But, that's no reason to stop trying.

08-19-2023, 06:52 PM	#15
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: Jadaveon clowney Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It happens. Drafting is, at best, an inexact science. Especially when dealing with humans that are on average twice as big as the average person and counting on them being twice as athletic. But, that's no reason to stop trying. Oh I agree, and they definitely shouldn't stop. It's just annoying both lines are arguably the biggest weak points on the team given how much draft capital they've sunk into them the past few years, it should be the strength of the team. The Payton Turner pick was just bizarre.
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08-19-2023, 07:17 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Jadaveon clowney Originally Posted by Sainters7 Oh I agree, and they definitely shouldn't stop. It's just annoying both lines are arguably the biggest weak points on the team given how much draft capital they've sunk into them the past few years, it should be the strength of the team. The Payton Turner pick was just bizarre. I've not given up on Turner and I believe our offensive line can be elite IF they can just stay healthy. And if our defensive line is a weak point then I think we are poised to win it all. Sainters7 likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Jadaveon clowney You have to draft the right players but you need the right coaches to develop those players. Apparently, we don't draft well in the first round. Sometimes. Yeah. But not often enough. Plus, there's that injury bug thing that follows us around that limits player development.