Jimmy Graham Arrested?

BakoSaint · 08-19-2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Point is you seemed to be saying TEs are more susceptible to head injuries than other positions and therefore should not be taken in the first round. I don’t think there is any evidence backing this up. Showing a clip of a play Graham maybe suffered a head injury doesn’t back that up. Junior Seau come to mind?

Broadly my opinion is TEs are very susceptible to lots of injuries from head to toe, they have to take a beating out over the middle, and unlike a LB they are not in control when the big collisions come. They tend to get hit in defenseless positions because they are not faster than the defenders so rather than hitting them in stride, the quarterback often puts the ball up high for them to get it, and they have to focus on coming down with the ball while the defenders focus on hitting them so hard they can't hold on. It was smart that we traded Jimmy Graham and got 1st round value for him. Its too bad the pick did not work out, but Unger was great. If you look back at TE drafted in the 1st round, there are maybe 1-2 stars per decade, and just tons of busts, or guys who flash, get paid, and break down. Meanwhile some random 3rd round TE meat head will somehow make the HOF. Its just too unpredictable to waste big resources. You never know who will somehow hold up, avoid the bigger hits, and still be able to go out over the middle without blinking.

If I were to compare the TE and RB positions, I would say both tend to have a lot of trouble sustaining greatness as they approach 30, but there might be more running backs who have managed it, and more RBs who manage it before 30 too. Guys like Tony Gonzalez, Gronk, and Kelce are the rare exception, but RB had guys like Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, and Adrian Peterson. TE is just a more hyped position in the NFL right now because the two most durably successful TE of our era, Gronk and Kelce, happened to play with the two most clutch playoff QBs, Brady and Maholmes. I agree with not investing too much in RB but I think I think TE is the same deal. Imagine if instead of Gronk and Kelce, Brady and Maholmes happened to be paired with durable running backs in the type of Smith, Sanders, Faulk, Martin, or Peterson? They would win a bunch of rings and people would just ignore all the other RBs becoming totally ineffective at 27 and say drafting a RB in the 1st Round and paying them big as free agents is going to win it all for them.

08-19-2023, 02:28 PM	#11
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: Jimmy Graham Arrested? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Point is you seemed to be saying TEs are more susceptible to head injuries than other positions and therefore should not be taken in the first round. I don’t think there is any evidence backing this up. Showing a clip of a play Graham maybe suffered a head injury doesn’t back that up. Junior Seau come to mind? Broadly my opinion is TEs are very susceptible to lots of injuries from head to toe, they have to take a beating out over the middle, and unlike a LB they are not in control when the big collisions come. They tend to get hit in defenseless positions because they are not faster than the defenders so rather than hitting them in stride, the quarterback often puts the ball up high for them to get it, and they have to focus on coming down with the ball while the defenders focus on hitting them so hard they can't hold on. It was smart that we traded Jimmy Graham and got 1st round value for him. Its too bad the pick did not work out, but Unger was great. If you look back at TE drafted in the 1st round, there are maybe 1-2 stars per decade, and just tons of busts, or guys who flash, get paid, and break down. Meanwhile some random 3rd round TE meat head will somehow make the HOF. Its just too unpredictable to waste big resources. You never know who will somehow hold up, avoid the bigger hits, and still be able to go out over the middle without blinking. If I were to compare the TE and RB positions, I would say both tend to have a lot of trouble sustaining greatness as they approach 30, but there might be more running backs who have managed it, and more RBs who manage it before 30 too. Guys like Tony Gonzalez, Gronk, and Kelce are the rare exception, but RB had guys like Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, and Adrian Peterson. TE is just a more hyped position in the NFL right now because the two most durably successful TE of our era, Gronk and Kelce, happened to play with the two most clutch playoff QBs, Brady and Maholmes. I agree with not investing too much in RB but I think I think TE is the same deal. Imagine if instead of Gronk and Kelce, Brady and Maholmes happened to be paired with durable running backs in the type of Smith, Sanders, Faulk, Martin, or Peterson? They would win a bunch of rings and people would just ignore all the other RBs becoming totally ineffective at 27 and say drafting a RB in the 1st Round and paying them big as free agents is going to win it all for them.
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