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Khai Harley - Assistant General Manager/Vice President of Football Operations

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That's some pretty good math Bako. Sometimes I like the way you think. I disagree about how bad our accounting principles are handled though. It has bitten us in the butt before but we've ...

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Old 08-26-2023, 02:11 PM   #1
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Re: Khai Harley - Assistant General Manager/Vice President of Football Operations

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II View Post
That's some pretty good math Bako. Sometimes I like the way you think.

I disagree about how bad our accounting principles are handled though. It has bitten us in the butt before but we've benefitted greatly from our cap structure and principles. Hey, did you notice that we actually got a couple of comp picks last year?
I did notice we got some comp picks which is good. But I fear we got them for the wrong reason. I think our finances crumbled where we lost a lot of solid young players coming off their rookie deals and were unable to get similar players from other teams to make up for it. So we did get comp picks. But we got comp picks after replacing young with old or young with journeyman, which is not good. We also may have had some cases where we traded for veterans on the last year of their deals or signed veterans for one year fill ins and didnt resign them and those could have played into comp picks. I am not sure. Players like Jackrabbit, Apple, Sanders, etc. But the more cap trouble we get into the less we can do that.

Exactly how void years we frequently use play in to comp picks is not clear. I thought you did not get comp picks if the contract voided, as it was like a cut, but that may not totally be the case. Apparently void years original to the contract and automatic may not prevent a team from getting comp picks. But ones added to shorten the contract may. Void years added in restructure to artificially lengthen the contract to borrow from future salary caps I can't find a clear answer. See this discussion. I apologize if I was a little off before, its super confusing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...s_explanation/

But the void years can also mess with the ability to use franchise tags. Had we been able to tag Terron Armstead, its very possible we could have traded him for better than what we got in comp picks. But we couldn't because his void triggered after the tag window closed. It could have been structured to trigger earlier and give us the ability to tag him, but we supposedly made a 'concession' to Armstead in making it void later. But what is the truth of this 'concession' if every year we are having to restructure every big contract to sneak under the cap? Its not really a concession if agents know they have us by the balls and if their player refuses to restructure we can't get under the cap. So what is likely to happen is that every contract we restructure with void years is going to have those voids trigger late so we can't apply the franchise tag. Which means if Derek Carr does happen to be great, and thinks the Jags will pay him $80 million, he can just walk because restructures will put his void dates at times where we can't use a tag. Same with any of our other stars who restructure.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/many-sai...193624552.html

Overall, having to restucture every big contract every year gives too much leverage to players. They can easily demand void dates that prevent them from being tagged. They also lose next to nothing if they are suspended or hold out because their salary was converted to a bonus that is already paid and their game checks are loose change. You don't pay interest on debt in the nfl, but in a sense you do. Kamara gets three weeks off for $200,000. I wish I could get three weeks off for 1% of my salary. The Dolphins got Terron Armstead for pick 110 or something. Thats the price we pay.
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