Observations from the Saints win vs Titans

BakoSaint · 09-11-2023, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I’m honestly just curious about the folks here who think we got screwed by the refs yesterday.

If anything, I’d say Tennessee got shafted way worse. Refs blew the whistle on their fumble recovery which may have resulted in a scoop and score, and at the very least cost them ~20 yards of field position. But even beyond that, the refs called it an incomplete pass. Huge surprise and today is mostly being called a botched call. That was at least a 3-point swing, and perhaps a 10-point swing. Dean Blandino breaks it down here: https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1...HaGNivo0JqzOWQ

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not complaining. Lord knows we’ve been on the wrong end of a ton of calls in recent years (including some yesterday), so it’s nice to catch the break on this one which would’ve dramatically changed the trajectory of the game.

A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years.

I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets.

Boston Saint · 09-11-2023, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years.

I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets.

That small of sample size and at that small of a percentage is not statistically significant. According to that graph, you could say that artificial turf is on an increasingly downward injury trend while natural grass injuries are clearly on a rising trend. The graph predicts this year to have more injuries on grass than turf.

TheDeuce · 09-11-2023, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years.

I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets.

Sure we had some calls against us, I’m just saying it’s pretty clear that the most game-changing call in the game went our way and saved us 10 points most likely.

Also, video replay of PI was the dumbest rule ever implemented and done purely as a mea culpa by the NFL after what was the biggest dicking against a team by refs in the history of football. A completely unsustainable rule, they never intended for it to stick around permanently.

But anyways, refs weren’t the highlight of the game, our defense was. Great tackling, great ball hawking, excellent Redzone defense. A real joy to watch a defense like the one we have. The difference this year is we finally have a competent QB to take some of the pressure off our defense. We clearly miss Kamara’s explosiveness out of the backfield, but I am impressed with our skill players. OL needs to improve, but I also think it’s important to remember that Tennessee is one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out under Vrabel. Finally, great game by Grupe, hope he can keep it up.

AsylumGuido · 09-11-2023, 05:09 PM

True dat!

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09-11-2023, 04:02 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,785	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by TheDeuce I’m honestly just curious about the folks here who think we got screwed by the refs yesterday. If anything, I’d say Tennessee got shafted way worse. Refs blew the whistle on their fumble recovery which may have resulted in a scoop and score, and at the very least cost them ~20 yards of field position. But even beyond that, the refs called it an incomplete pass. Huge surprise and today is mostly being called a botched call. That was at least a 3-point swing, and perhaps a 10-point swing. Dean Blandino breaks it down here: https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1...HaGNivo0JqzOWQ Now don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not complaining. Lord knows we’ve been on the wrong end of a ton of calls in recent years (including some yesterday), so it’s nice to catch the break on this one which would’ve dramatically changed the trajectory of the game. A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years. I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets. SmashMouth likes this.
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09-11-2023, 04:10 PM	#2
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,920	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years. I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets. That small of sample size and at that small of a percentage is not statistically significant. According to that graph, you could say that artificial turf is on an increasingly downward injury trend while natural grass injuries are clearly on a rising trend. The graph predicts this year to have more injuries on grass than turf.

09-11-2023, 04:49 PM	#3
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years. I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets. Sure we had some calls against us, I’m just saying it’s pretty clear that the most game-changing call in the game went our way and saved us 10 points most likely. Also, video replay of PI was the dumbest rule ever implemented and done purely as a mea culpa by the NFL after what was the biggest dicking against a team by refs in the history of football. A completely unsustainable rule, they never intended for it to stick around permanently. But anyways, refs weren’t the highlight of the game, our defense was. Great tackling, great ball hawking, excellent Redzone defense. A real joy to watch a defense like the one we have. The difference this year is we finally have a competent QB to take some of the pressure off our defense. We clearly miss Kamara’s explosiveness out of the backfield, but I am impressed with our skill players. OL needs to improve, but I also think it’s important to remember that Tennessee is one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out under Vrabel. Finally, great game by Grupe, hope he can keep it up. AsylumGuido likes this.
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09-11-2023, 05:09 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,542	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans True dat! Twitter SmashMouth likes this.