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SmashMouth 09-22-2023 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 980578)
Well said Oak. And I smile every time I see your avatar.

So does Foreverfan from up above.

gumbeau 09-22-2023 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 980571)
I did not intend for this to become a soap box it just sort of did. The tl:dr is the "integrity of the shield' is a marketing gimmick.

This should not disillusion anyone but the shield is a business venture and being founded as such has no integrity, or has no more integrity than any multi-million/billion dollar corporation. "Integrity of the Shield" is a virtue phrase used as a basis to dole out punitive action on grown men who act like children. This is just like HR requiring everyone to attend an annual Code of Business Conduct refresher. It is a facade. If the shield had integrity minorities and females wouldn't have been treated the way they were for decades.

Every action taken by the league in my lifetime has been to further advance the business, not protect the integrity of a sport, or ensure bias and bigotry did not exist within its walls. Anyone who talks about southern plantation owners making money off the backs of black slaves needs to take a hard look at the NFL, NBA, and Boxing. Sure, they get paid but the NFL is not valued at $143+BN because they shared in the spoils.

- Halftime is to generate viewership. For those that have forgotten, they sell the Half Time show, they don't choose it.
- Advancements in helmet and pad design is to mitigate litigation.
- Rules to protect the QB are to protect an investment.
- Rules to make the game more exciting are to generate viewership.
- Punishments for the supposedly illegal bounty program was to protect public image. There was not 'a bounty program', bounties were systemic in the league decades before.

At no time has any commissioner since Elmer Layden said "we need to get back to our roots".

This is Professional Wrestling with a ball and green surface (which in most cases is also fake). I know this when I watch it. The refs are doing as they are told. :bng:

100 percent.

I haven't watched any Saints football in a few years now and very little since January 2019 as I was in the South end zone when my faith in the NFL was murdered. My minimal interest in keeping track would be nonexistent were my mother not a big fan still. (even she has lessened her ardor for what once was something central to our family)

So much in our world has been exposed to be lies and deceit in pursuit of money and power the past few years. It may be a function of my advancing age to feel this. If so, I long for the ignorance of youth. If not, I am glad I probably won't be around to see the horrible things marching our way. At least I hope so.

In the meanwhile, I will poke around here a bit to keep tabs on the team until such time as it is no longer necessary, although I hate to think about that inevitable event.

Cheers! I wish I could still be in that number but what is done cannot be undone.

SmashMouth 10-09-2023 05:47 PM

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More refs playing around...

https://youtu.be/YRV5FQpdh6Q?si=v2kA34F6N57ZGzaS

AsylumGuido 10-09-2023 05:57 PM

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Does anyone know the difference between refs today and refs 25-30 years ago?

Back then they had half a dozen cameras at best and no or limited replay.

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

The refs have always been relatively incompetent based upon human capabilities to see and perceive, especially for men in their late 40's and 50's doing the job on a part time basis.

BakoSaint 10-09-2023 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982851)
Does anyone know the difference between refs today and refs 25-30 years ago?

Back then they had half a dozen cameras at best and no or limited replay.

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

The refs have always been relatively incompetent based upon human capabilities to see and perceive, especially for men in their late 40's and 50's doing the job on a part time basis.

Also 25-30 years ago refs gambled on the games with their bookies and used the proceeds to snort angel dust off the ass cracks of male prostitutes. Today the refs gamble on the games on their burner phones and use the proceeds to snort fentanyl off the ass cracks of male prostitutes.

vpheughan 10-10-2023 08:25 AM

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[QUOTE=AsylumGuido;982851]

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

instantaneous
ĭn″stən-tā′nē-əs
adjective
Occurring or completed without perceptible delay.


Now tell everyone that the "instantaneous" reviews do not in any way delay the game.

It's the commentators in the booth and the fans watching on TV who actually see it instantaneously. Why can't the NFL have a "Replay Official" seeing what the commentators and TV viewers see ?

The NFL could institute the "SKY JUDGE" next week if they so desired.

The fact that they don't should have everyone asking "WHY?"

The NFL would lose "CONTROL" of the game, that's WHY.

The NFL panders to those "FANS" who watch for the "ENTERAINMENT" .

Fans like YOU

Now tell the Group you've never said that ENTERTAINMENT is what you so cherish!

AsylumGuido 10-10-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 982862)
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982851)

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

instantaneous
ĭn″stən-tā′nē-əs
adjective
Occurring or completed without perceptible delay.


Now tell everyone that the "instantaneous" reviews do not in any way delay the game.

It's the commentators in the booth and the fans watching on TV who actually see it instantaneously. Why can't the NFL have a "Replay Official" seeing what the commentators and TV viewers see ?

The NFL could institute the "SKY JUDGE" next week if they so desired.

The fact that they don't should have everyone asking "WHY?"

The NFL would lose "CONTROL" of the game, that's WHY.

The NFL panders to those "FANS" who watch for the "ENTERAINMENT" .

Fans like YOU

Now tell the Group you've never said that ENTERTAINMENT is what you so cherish!

Off the meds again, vp? :D
The point I was attempting to make that you so horribly missed was that refs have been missing calls since the game started and we only now have the abilities to see what has been magnified by new technologies.

And, yes, I am completely entertained by the product. I see no issue with that at all. And, yes, I am a fan. What's wrong with any of that?

P.S. What is "enterainment"? Maybe you need to break out that little dictionary of yours again.

:doh:

Rugby Saint II 10-10-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982867)
Off the meds again, vp? :D
The point I was attempting to make that you so horribly missed was that refs have been missing calls since the game started and we only now have the abilities to see what has been magnified by new technologies.

And, yes, I am completely entertained by the product. I see no issue with that at all. And, yes, I am a fan. What's wrong with any of that?

P.S. What is "enterainment"? Maybe you need to break out that little dictionary of yours again.

:doh:

Wrestling is entertainment.....so is football now. It's all basically scripted with a predetermined outcome.

Also, The refs are obviously worse now than they were in the past. You don't need dozens of camera angles to see blown calls and it happens in almost every game. The NFL doesn't want competent refs. If they did then the refs should be full time with proper referee coaching. The NFL is a joke!:doh:

AsylumGuido 10-10-2023 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 982901)
Wrestling is entertainment.....so is football now. It's all basically scripted with a predetermined outcome.

Also, The refs are obviously worse now than they were in the past. You don't need dozens of camera angles to see blown calls and it happens in almost every game. The NFL doesn't want competent refs. If they did then the refs should be full time with proper referee coaching. The NFL is a joke!:doh:

You tell that to any player, Rugs. Tell them that what they are out there putting their bodies on the line for is nothing but scripted and for it to work they have to be faking it all too. Is this what you believe is going on?

:confused:

The NFL makes money hand over fist regardless of what team wins any individual game.

iceshack149 10-10-2023 06:11 PM

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The Chiefs games this year have many people thinking that the NFL is absolutely rigged. Hard to argue against that perception at this point.

AsylumGuido 10-10-2023 06:21 PM

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If the game is completely scripted and rigged why do you as fans buy into it and complain about Pete Carmichael's playcalling or anything that Dennis Allen does? If they are just following the script then why question them? What's really incredible is how they insert those injuries at opportune times.

Personally I can't wait for this week's episode! What does the NFL have planned in our game? Damn! This makes it that much more exciting! It's like watching The Game of Thrones again.

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc...remierejpg.jpg

:roflmao:

BakoSaint 10-10-2023 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982915)
If the game is completely scripted and rigged why do you as fans buy into it and complain about Pete Carmichael's playcalling or anything that Dennis Allen does? If they are just following the script then why question them? What's really incredible is how they insert those injuries at opportune times.

Personally I can't wait for this week's episode! What does the NFL have planned in our game? Damn! This makes it that much more exciting! It's like watching The Game of Thrones again.

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc...remierejpg.jpg

:roflmao:

I don't think the NFL is rigged or scripted I think it is biased. I think Roger Goodell makes it clear the NFL is looking to promote certain franchises by actually promoting them more and by treating them more favorably with less suspensions and stuff, and refs get the message that daddy moneybags would not take kindly to being too tough with the calls on that team. So when the refs think a call is close or could be criticized for deciding the game, they may err in the favored teams favor. They probably thought the Rams committed pass interference but it was a little more bang-bang to them in real time and they knew RD wanted the Rams in the Super Bowl so they no-called it because the actual consequences from RG had it looked less egregious on replay and kept the Rams out of the big game would have been a lot worse for them than the consequences if it looked more egregious on tape, as it did, but still resulted in RG's favored outcome. I don't think RG has to tell the refs to rig games, he just has to make it clear that big mistakes are acceptable if they end up with his favored result, as he did in that case, and the message is clear to give his favored teams the family discount on tickets to the super bowl, and often nudge them in.

But the second part is that after Saints fans got robbed of a Super Bowl by the no-call, we publicly called out the refs. We challenged the authority and divinity of their sacred brotherhood more than any fan base. Saints fans became the equivalent of black lives matter or defund the police to the refs. We booed them at every game. Saints fans probably spit on their food and harassed them at their hotels. So we became public enemy number one for all that, but most of all for publicly challenging their authority, because it being the wrong call didnt matter to them, challenging their brotherhood did. So now, even if Goodell doesn't care and we are playing Mayfield's Bucs for the division title in the final weeks and he doesn't want to promote them either, the refs will be extra hard on us because we are 'animals' and 'the wrong kind of people' to them.

But again the league is not rigged, it is biased. I don't think the refs will blatantly overturn multiple consecutive scores and turnovers in a way that could get them investigated by congress. They will just tilt the scales. So we can still win, but to win the big games when the refs will tilt the scales against us the most for vengeance, we need to dominate. We can't just trot out league average Derek Carr and some good ole boy coaches and hope to win the division at 9-8 and get lucky from there. We need to be playing like the Dolphins or 49ers are now. So that why I do want DA and PC gone. With how the refs are we can't afford to be just good, we need to be great to have a chance to win. And honestly we are lucky to look even good in even half the games with these guys. We need to find the next Belichick and the next Brady. We need to become the team Goodell wants to promote so the refs worry there will be consequences if they want to screw us. It's not that Goodell is so excited about the Kansas City market, its that they have such a dynamic young star and such a good coach and players dating Taylor Swift and the league can't resist marketing them. If we want to get the refs off our back we need to become that. Thats on reason why rather than signing Carr I would have rebuilt and stockpiled picks to draft Williams or Arch Manning.


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