Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos

AsylumGuido · 09-29-2023, 04:26 PM

I couldn't agree more with this.

AsylumGuido · 09-29-2023, 04:28 PM

BakoSaint · 09-29-2023, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think they keep DA around after when bring home the Lombardi next February.

If we have a winning record and they keep DA around fine. As long as they don't start trading away future 1st round picks. But if we have a losing record, DA needs to bring his talents to Arkansas State.

saintsfan1976 · 09-30-2023, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we have a winning record and they keep DA around fine. As long as they don't start trading away future 1st round picks. But if we have a losing record, DA needs to bring his talents to Arkansas State.

He seems to be more in command than last season. Players seem to respond well to him and the overall TEAM mindset. Locker room still strong.

I want to see him make the changes necessary to begin scoring more points. Young coordinators are tearing up the league while awkward Pete keeps choking in the red zone.

saintsfan1976 · 09-30-2023, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I couldn't agree more with this.

https://twitter.com/john_siglerr/sta...67603706798172

And that marks the end of the entire 2018 draft class. What a busted year...

Sure, 3Quan "did his job" but honestly, didn't we always feel a little "wanting more" from him?

BakoSaint · 09-30-2023, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...69287845691569

I think that amounts to an argument that Trequan's injures were not a moral failure. But I know they were not a moral failure, they were a physical failure.

Personally I think there are room for 3-4 kinds of receivers on an NFL roster: stars, incredibly reliable backups, special teams standouts, and/or young players with big upside. At this stage in his career Trequan is not incredibly reliable because he has only been good for 10-15 games a year and is constantly missing practice and coming back rusty from injuries. You can't be reliable if you often don't play at all. I haven't seen a ton from him on special teams, and he can't be a major player there either if he can't stay healthy. But at the same time he is also no longer so young, the odds are low for any breakout season at this age.

So, if you want a role player, you are better off finding one who can play 17 games. If you want a project, you are better finding one who still hasn't hit their prime and might become a star.

Rugby Saint II · 09-30-2023, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

And that marks the end of the entire 2018 draft class. What a busted year...

Sure, 3Quan "did his job" but honestly, didn't we always feel a little "wanting more" from him?

I couldn't wait to hear that we cut him. However, he had a strong preseason and you can easily see how much better we are at YAC when 3Q was in blocking. Our young guns don't block well and it shows!

rezburna · 09-30-2023, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So Deon is next on deck as a future Saints HC?

I really don’t think Prime is coming to the NFL. I also don’t think he’d be as effective as he is on the collegiate level. I’d be looking at Kellen Moore (LAC) and Ben Johnson (DET). Truthfully, I’d offer Mike McDaniels $20 million a year to leave the Dolphins. Brilliant offensive mind.

BakoSaint · 09-30-2023, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I really don’t think Prime is coming to the NFL. I also don’t think he’d be as effective as he is on the collegiate level. I’d be looking at Kellen Moore (LAC) and Ben Johnson (DET). Truthfully, I’d offer Mike McDaniels $20 million a year to leave the Dolphins. Brilliant offensive mind.

I don't think Prime is coming to the NFL either. He claims he loves college, and his motivational techniques may not work as well when he is battling egos with the players who can say they are making more money than he ever did.

I think a young coach like Moore or Johnson could be a good option. Depending on how the Redskins season goes, Eric Bienemy could be another consideration. He must have a massive chip on his shoulder with all the rejection he has had, and he did put up 35 on Denver with Sam Howell at QB.

Another option would be Jim Harbaugh. While Payton has not worked out for the Broncos so far, Andy Reid certainly has worked out for the Chiefs. Historically, there is no case of an NFL coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams, but there are many cases of a coach coming up just short with their first team and going all the way with their second. Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians, etc. The coach just needs to have shown they can win in their first stint, and be hyper focused on going all the way in their second, and willing to bring in new coordinators and innovate knowing that 'more of the same' and 'stick to the plan' might buy them one more year but won't get that ring.

I feel like maybe coaches who lose in their first stint get desperate trying new approaches in their first stint and it doesnt work and their instinct in their second stint is to stick to the plan and play the odds and strive to scratch out 9 wins. Coaches who win in their second stint but don't get a championship are more prone to innovate, because they won't be satisfied with 9 wins. Meanwhile coaches who previously won it all are often just fixated on trying to rebuild the past and not innovating.

Rugby Saint II · 09-30-2023, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I don't think Prime is coming to the NFL either. He claims he loves college, and his motivational techniques may not work as well when he is battling egos with the players who can say they are making more money than he ever did.

I think a young coach like Moore or Johnson could be a good option. Depending on how the Redskins season goes, Eric Bienemy could be another consideration. He must have a massive chip on his shoulder with all the rejection he has had, and he did put up 35 on Denver with Sam Howell at QB.

Another option would be Jim Harbaugh. While Payton has not worked out for the Broncos so far, Andy Reid certainly has worked out for the Chiefs. Historically, there is no case of an NFL coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams, but there are many cases of a coach coming up just short with their first team and going all the way with their second. Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians, etc. The coach just needs to have shown they can win in their first stint, and be hyper focused on going all the way in their second, and willing to bring in new coordinators and innovate knowing that 'more of the same' and 'stick to the plan' might buy them one more year but won't get that ring.

I feel like maybe coaches who lose in their first stint get desperate trying new approaches in their first stint and it doesnt work and their instinct in their second stint is to stick to the plan and play the odds and strive to scratch out 9 wins. Coaches who win in their second stint but don't get a championship are more prone to innovate, because they won't be satisfied with 9 wins. Meanwhile coaches who previously won it all are often just fixated on trying to rebuild the past and not innovating.

That's very thought provoking. Great post Bako.

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09-29-2023, 05:14 PM	#23
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,759	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think they keep DA around after when bring home the Lombardi next February. If we have a winning record and they keep DA around fine. As long as they don't start trading away future 1st round picks. But if we have a losing record, DA needs to bring his talents to Arkansas State.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,540 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we have a winning record and they keep DA around fine. As long as they don't start trading away future 1st round picks. But if we have a losing record, DA needs to bring his talents to Arkansas State. He seems to be more in command than last season. Players seem to respond well to him and the overall TEAM mindset. Locker room still strong. I want to see him make the changes necessary to begin scoring more points. Young coordinators are tearing up the league while awkward Pete keeps choking in the red zone. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,540 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I couldn't agree more with this. https://twitter.com/john_siglerr/sta...67603706798172 And that marks the end of the entire 2018 draft class. What a busted year... Sure, 3Quan "did his job" but honestly, didn't we always feel a little "wanting more" from him? SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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09-30-2023, 11:49 AM	#26
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,759	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...69287845691569 I think that amounts to an argument that Trequan's injures were not a moral failure. But I know they were not a moral failure, they were a physical failure. Personally I think there are room for 3-4 kinds of receivers on an NFL roster: stars, incredibly reliable backups, special teams standouts, and/or young players with big upside. At this stage in his career Trequan is not incredibly reliable because he has only been good for 10-15 games a year and is constantly missing practice and coming back rusty from injuries. You can't be reliable if you often don't play at all. I haven't seen a ton from him on special teams, and he can't be a major player there either if he can't stay healthy. But at the same time he is also no longer so young, the odds are low for any breakout season at this age. So, if you want a role player, you are better off finding one who can play 17 games. If you want a project, you are better finding one who still hasn't hit their prime and might become a star.
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09-30-2023, 11:50 AM	#27
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,739	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 And that marks the end of the entire 2018 draft class. What a busted year... Sure, 3Quan "did his job" but honestly, didn't we always feel a little "wanting more" from him? I couldn't wait to hear that we cut him. However, he had a strong preseason and you can easily see how much better we are at YAC when 3Q was in blocking. Our young guns don't block well and it shows!

09-30-2023, 11:56 AM	#28
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,665	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by SmashMouth So Deon is next on deck as a future Saints HC? I really don’t think Prime is coming to the NFL. I also don’t think he’d be as effective as he is on the collegiate level. I’d be looking at Kellen Moore (LAC) and Ben Johnson (DET). Truthfully, I’d offer Mike McDaniels $20 million a year to leave the Dolphins. Brilliant offensive mind. Crusader likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,759	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by rezburna I really don’t think Prime is coming to the NFL. I also don’t think he’d be as effective as he is on the collegiate level. I’d be looking at Kellen Moore (LAC) and Ben Johnson (DET). Truthfully, I’d offer Mike McDaniels $20 million a year to leave the Dolphins. Brilliant offensive mind. I don't think Prime is coming to the NFL either. He claims he loves college, and his motivational techniques may not work as well when he is battling egos with the players who can say they are making more money than he ever did. I think a young coach like Moore or Johnson could be a good option. Depending on how the Redskins season goes, Eric Bienemy could be another consideration. He must have a massive chip on his shoulder with all the rejection he has had, and he did put up 35 on Denver with Sam Howell at QB. Another option would be Jim Harbaugh. While Payton has not worked out for the Broncos so far, Andy Reid certainly has worked out for the Chiefs. Historically, there is no case of an NFL coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams, but there are many cases of a coach coming up just short with their first team and going all the way with their second. Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians, etc. The coach just needs to have shown they can win in their first stint, and be hyper focused on going all the way in their second, and willing to bring in new coordinators and innovate knowing that 'more of the same' and 'stick to the plan' might buy them one more year but won't get that ring. I feel like maybe coaches who lose in their first stint get desperate trying new approaches in their first stint and it doesnt work and their instinct in their second stint is to stick to the plan and play the odds and strive to scratch out 9 wins. Coaches who win in their second stint but don't get a championship are more prone to innovate, because they won't be satisfied with 9 wins. Meanwhile coaches who previously won it all are often just fixated on trying to rebuild the past and not innovating. Rugby Saint II and rezburna like this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,739	Re: Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos Originally Posted by BakoSaint I don't think Prime is coming to the NFL either. He claims he loves college, and his motivational techniques may not work as well when he is battling egos with the players who can say they are making more money than he ever did. I think a young coach like Moore or Johnson could be a good option. Depending on how the Redskins season goes, Eric Bienemy could be another consideration. He must have a massive chip on his shoulder with all the rejection he has had, and he did put up 35 on Denver with Sam Howell at QB. Another option would be Jim Harbaugh. While Payton has not worked out for the Broncos so far, Andy Reid certainly has worked out for the Chiefs. Historically, there is no case of an NFL coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams, but there are many cases of a coach coming up just short with their first team and going all the way with their second. Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians, etc. The coach just needs to have shown they can win in their first stint, and be hyper focused on going all the way in their second, and willing to bring in new coordinators and innovate knowing that 'more of the same' and 'stick to the plan' might buy them one more year but won't get that ring. I feel like maybe coaches who lose in their first stint get desperate trying new approaches in their first stint and it doesnt work and their instinct in their second stint is to stick to the plan and play the odds and strive to scratch out 9 wins. Coaches who win in their second stint but don't get a championship are more prone to innovate, because they won't be satisfied with 9 wins. Meanwhile coaches who previously won it all are often just fixated on trying to rebuild the past and not innovating. That's very thought provoking. Great post Bako. BakoSaint likes this.