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Sinner 10-02-2023 06:26 PM

COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…”
 
Y’ALL finish this…

K Major 10-02-2023 06:54 PM

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K Major 10-02-2023 07:13 PM

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Obviously LD Bell (Allen) is going to learn the hard way.

He's the common denominator & part of the problem.

Carmichael should have been let go after last season.

Don't want to make changes, fine your choice. With this roster, any failures (losing record, miss post season), fire em all.

SmashMouth 10-02-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 982191)
Obviously LD Bell (Allen) is going to learn the hard way.

He's the common denominator & part of the problem.

Carmichael should have been let go after last season.

Don't want to make changes, fine your choice. With this roster, any failures (losing record, miss post season), fire em all.

Steelers know the way.

Halo 10-02-2023 07:26 PM

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neugey 10-02-2023 07:37 PM

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Picking Dennis Allen and thinking you've got a good football coach is like picking a Tickle Me Elmo doll and thinking you've found artificial intelligence.

Rell&Gold 10-02-2023 08:17 PM

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I'm watching this interview now this guy is something else, A injured Carr is better than sending a healthy Jameis who is familiar out there? OK cool, He also stated not attacking the middle of the field hasn't been scheme but based on what the defense has been doing, why is the defense dictating our offense, and he never really addressed the "problem" on offense it's going on a year since we scored 30pts, he knows it's Pete he's just delusional

hitta 10-02-2023 08:19 PM

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As I have stated, I think Allen is a great DC. He's a pisspoor head coach though and runs the team like he's a guy that works for the suicide prevention hotline.

Sinner 10-02-2023 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 982189)

LOVE IT. LMFAO

BakoSaint 10-02-2023 08:38 PM

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Dennis Allen is not the common denominator. Dennis Allen does not make hiring and firing decisions. If I got a job, **** all over my desk for 2.5 years, burned the place down, then some genius called my references and heard everything and hired me again, and then I **** all over the new office for 1.5 years, and they bought me matches and gasoline as a reward for my dedicated service, who would blame me for cashing the paychecks? I wouldn't do anything like that. But Mickey Loomis and Dennis Allen have. Mickey Loomis is the common denominator from Haslett and Brooks to Allen and Carr, with an accidental success 17 years ago in hiring Payton. Allen needs to go, but Loomis makes hiring and firing decisions, and if Loomis finds this offense acceptable, its obvious he has to go. Instead Loomis is backing his drinking buddies and they are all popping up a cap on another Old Milwaukee while the rest of the league innovates.

K Major 10-02-2023 09:08 PM

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Danno 10-02-2023 09:55 PM

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Technically changing play callers isn't a change in the staff. Right?

I have a bad feeling the Pats defense is going to resmble the '85 Bears while Mac Jones will look like Brady in his prime.

K Major 10-03-2023 08:04 AM

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Listening to analysts around the league on coaches who underperform (players too), I never understood the “it’s too early” angle.

When is it “too late” on Carmichael?

Inept coaching, play calling and design was the reason why
this team missed the post season in 2022. And the Saints had every
opportunity to TAKE the division.

It’s already starting to look like a repeat THIS season.

Looks like they don’t want it. Cool, you”ll get fired together.

Insane.

mapcow 10-03-2023 08:49 AM

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.... we will continue doing what we do, and do it well. But, maybe next year! " :beatnik:

NOLA54 10-03-2023 11:06 AM

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Oh hell! It's over. Let them play in an empty dome. Six QBs, no offense, which is going
impact the defense eventually.

Rugby Saint II 10-03-2023 02:30 PM

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Hey coach. Come to the office and bring your playbook.

saintsfan1976 10-03-2023 04:28 PM

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Carmichael scheme.

Curry call plays.

AsylumGuido 10-03-2023 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 982266)
Carmichael scheme.

Curry call plays.

Now that I can see. The whole problem would be continuity at this point and that solves that issue. You can't bring in someone at this time and change everything. But you can change how what you have is used.

K Major 10-03-2023 04:57 PM

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Sinner 10-03-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982267)
Now that I can see. The whole problem would be continuity at this point and that solves that issue. You can't bring in someone at this time and change everything. But you can change how what you have is used.

Translation: “Keep doing what you’re doing.” AINT gonna get it done.

BakoSaint 10-03-2023 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982267)
Now that I can see. The whole problem would be continuity at this point and that solves that issue. You can't bring in someone at this time and change everything. But you can change how what you have is used.

Carmichael demoted or fired, Curry becomes OC and calls plays, but preserves basic scheme. This would actually provide more continuity. The problem with having Curry call plays while Carmichael technically is still OC is that if it works and we win, continuity will end next year when Curry becomes the Falcons OC and we are stuck with Carmichael who cant call plays. You have to give the title if you want to protect them. Thats why we lost both DC’s from last year, we wouldnt give either the title.

K Major 10-03-2023 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 982275)
Carmichael demoted or fired, Curry becomes OC and calls plays, but preserves basic scheme. This would actually provide more continuity. The problem with having Curry call plays while Carmichael technically is still OC is that if it works and we win, continuity will end next year when Curry becomes the Falcons OC and we are stuck with Carmichael who cant call plays. You have to give the title if you want to protect them. Thats why we lost both DC’s from last year, we wouldnt give either the title.

I can't even remember when (if ever) the last time a OC was fired in season. The only guy I can recall stinking it up so badly was Bill O'Brien however he was a Head Coach.

Pete Carmichael should have never been retained after last season.

We gave the keys back to a guy driving a Bugatti with a revoked license.

BakoSaint 10-03-2023 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 982278)
I can't even remember when (if ever) the last time a OC was fired in season. The only guy I can recall stinking it up so badly was Bill O'Brien however he was a Head Coach.

Pete Carmichael should have never been retained after last season.

We gave the keys back to a guy driving a Bugatti with a revoked license.

Here is a good overview of coordinators fired in season. The Ravens fired OC Cam Cameron in season in 2012 and went on to win the Super Bowl. So it can work, but often doesnt.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2018/11/...l-austin-fired

Evn if 2/3rds it wont help, I think firing PC is worth a shot because we have to try something. If we keep playing like this and losing games to weak teams DA must go after this season. I dont care if he can bring in Andy Reid as his OC next year, I am done with DA as coach if he has a 5th losing season in a row as HC. I cant wait until after 2025 season to see if DA is the problem so thats why I prefer a new PC now. If DA wants to stick with PC fine, but if it doesnt work this year they both need to go.

voodooido 10-04-2023 04:30 PM

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Someone else needs to call the plays for the offense. With all of our weapons this is crazy

AsylumGuido 10-04-2023 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 982317)
Someone else needs to call the plays for the offense. With all of our weapons this is crazy

I agree with something saintsfan1967 pointed out earlier and that is that if things don't improve offensively very soon I'd like to see RB coach Ronald Curry be given a chance calling plays. He did it for a couple of the preseason games and I thought he did a good job.

However, the lack of motion and other such creativity in the play design is an issue, as much as is the play calling and that is on Carmichael as OC. If all you have available is vanilla that's the only flavor you are going to have to call come game time.

AsylumGuido 10-04-2023 04:40 PM

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Good insight from Kamara in this interview.


He pretty much calls out the play calling more than once in this interview.

Edit: To be honest, this is a great interview. Kamara tells it like it is.

He also mentions the frustrations with people "talking ****" about Olave quitting or giving up. ;)

Sinner 10-04-2023 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982320)
Good insight from Kamara in this interview.

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...77159701160228

He pretty much calls out the play calling more than once in this interview.

Edit: To be honest, this is a great interview. Kamara tells it like it is.

He also mentions the frustrations with people "talking ****" about Olave quitting or giving up. ;)

Problem is, it’s not up to AK to change anything, it’s a COACHING ISSUE, AND WE NEED A NEW COACH.

mapcow 10-05-2023 10:04 AM

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...this is rich.... expecting to take advice from a thug. :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 10-05-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 982345)
...this is rich.... expecting to take advice from a thug. :beatnik:

I respect his opinion far more than I do yours, my cowboy friend.

:smokin:

mapcow 10-05-2023 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982361)
I respect his opinion far more than I do yours, my cowboy friend.

:smokin:

losers usually do. :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 10-05-2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 982374)
losers usually do. :beatnik:

You should know.

;)

Rugby Saint II 10-05-2023 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 982326)
Problem is, it’s not up to AK to change anything, it’s a COACHING ISSUE, AND WE NEED A NEW COACH.

Last year when AK addressed the team he motivated them to a win. So, I'm not so sure that it's not up to AK at this point. Somebody has to step up and I don't expect DA to suddenly give the team actual leadership now. It's not in his DNA.

Therein lies the problem I believe. When Payton left we were left without an Alpha to lead the team. DA lacks the leadership qualities to be a head coach. Although, he's one heck of a DC and when he goes there goes our top five dynamic defensive scheme.

Sinner 10-05-2023 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 982387)
Last year when AK addressed the team he motivated them to a win. So, I'm not so sure that it's not up to AK at this point. Somebody has to step up and I don't expect DA to suddenly give the team actual leadership now. It's not in his DNA.

Therein lies the problem I believe. When Payton left we were left without an Alpha to lead the team. DA lacks the leadership qualities to be a head coach. Although, he's one heck of a DC and when he goes there goes our top five dynamic defensive scheme.


Translation: We need a NEW HEAD COACH.

mapcow 10-05-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982378)
You should know.

;)

exactly.... losers and idiots do not agree with me nor respect my opinion, winners do. :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 10-05-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 982394)
exactly.... losers and idiots do not agree with me nor respect my opinion, winners do. :beatnik:

More name calling. ;)

mapcow 10-05-2023 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982410)
More name calling. ;)

:rolleyes: :beatnik:


uh..... you began with the name calling.... "cowboy".... :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 10-05-2023 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 982419)
:rolleyes: :beatnik:

If the shoe fits, brother. ;)

mapcow 10-05-2023 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982420)
If the shoe fits, brother. ;)

and you ain't my brother. :beatnik:

You might be my *****.... :rofl:

AsylumGuido 10-05-2023 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 982422)
and you ain't my brother. :beatnik:

You might be my *****.... :rofl:

Your character shines through, my friend. You must be proud.

mapcow 10-05-2023 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982423)
Your character shines through, my friend. You must be proud.

Just like a winner. :beatnik: get over yourself.


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