Anyone with all 22?

Danno · 10-02-2023, 10:42 PM

I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation.

Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much.

SmashMouth · 10-03-2023, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation.

Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much.

That's what I was saying from the poor viewing angles from the too close bracketing of the cameras. We know , as KMajors pointed out in another thread , there were at least a couple of plays where WRs were way too close to one another, the MT and Olave one comes to mind. It still appears DC4 is holding on too long looking for the big play that isn't there.

K Major · 10-03-2023, 10:35 AM

WR's have been open.

Rugby Saint II · 10-03-2023, 03:46 PM

Rev Duce on Who Dat confessional showed some ugly film pointing out poor route schemes that don't attack the middle of the field now, even with a healthy MT roaming around the underneath middle.. Instead, the play call is to run three vertical go routes on third and five without a checkdown valve. If it's third and eight we run all routes short of the first down marker and hoping that we'll get good YAC.

The number of tight window throws on the sideline is mind boggling, especially with a QB coming off a shoulder injury. Throwing to the sideline every time shrinks the field opportunities. Why do we have multiple receivers running plays within reach of each other and condensing the coverage to one small area?

We don't run screens with the RB or use motion to loosen up the defense. We run o the ball between the tackles on first down and throw deep on third when our line can't block that long..

Everyone has an opinion on how to fix the Saints except the Saints! ' Just keep doing what you're doing. We don't need to make any changes.' Dennis Allen at his finest.

MatthewT · 10-03-2023, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation.

Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much.

I am going to keep an eye on Olave, I thought he may have been not giving his all at times but wasn't sure. I am also wondering if he is having some issues with route running, I only say that because I know some guys are running bad routes and do not believe Thomas would have that type of issue. Who knows...

K Major · 10-03-2023, 04:30 PM

I just hope these coaches haven't lost the locker room.

Did you notice AK & Olave's body language? I mean, this was only midway (game was still within reach) of the 3rd quarter. Tampa Bay & Bowles's defense were diagnosing plays pre-snap. We have become too predictable. 4th & 1, DCarr is lined up as a FB? Wow.

One (me) could argue that Pete has the most dynamic offense arsenal in YEARS at his disposal. Outside of Brees, I think this is the most collection of pure TALENT Pete has ever had to work with over the years.

And we can't put up 14 points a game?

Imagine what some of these other OCs could do with this current offensive roster.

The Dude · 10-03-2023, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I just hope these coaches haven't lost the locker room.

Did you notice AK & Olave's body language? I mean, this was only midway (game was still within reach) of the 3rd quarter. Tampa Bay & Bowles's defense were diagnosing plays pre-snap. We have become too predictable. 4th & 1, DCarr is lined up as a FB? Wow.

One (me) could argue that Pete has the most dynamic offense arsenal in YEARS at his disposal. Outside of Brees, I think this is the most collection of pure TALENT Pete has ever had to work with over the years.

And we can't put up 14 points a game?

Imagine what some of these other OCs could do with this current offensive roster.

100% agree. We would have killed to see this kind of talent at skill positions during Brees last few years. Something aint right. Has the team given up on Carr or the coaching staff or both? Some of the coaches in LV said some of the players thought Carr didnt take enough responsibilitu for his play or lack there of. He would say all the right things when the cameras were rolling but when he got to the locker room it was a different story.

BakoSaint · 10-03-2023, 09:23 PM

Sometimes I wonder if Pete had a close friend from days past recently diagnosed with CTE and has become a born again flag football believer. He could be scheming to attack the sidelines and get the receiver out of bounds ASAP on every play to protect the receivers long term health. It would be noble, but it wont win a lot of games. Olave seems to run the 2 minute drill all game and probably leads all nfl receivers in speed to sidelines after catch. And we are avoiding the middle of the field and using TEs almost as ineligible oline.

K Major · 10-04-2023, 01:06 PM

FYI, the Saints currently (after 4 weeks) rank last (#32) in using motions on dropbacks & pre snap motion.

Playaction on 1st down would be a nice change.

Usual suspects (Chiefs, Niners, Dolphins) are top 3.

And people wonder why we are kicking fgs instead of tds every single week.

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2023, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation.

Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much.

Hey, Danno, can you identify which plays Olave supposedly "loafed" on in the second half. I've now heard a couple of people claim this and would like to see the actual plays. I never noticed any lack of effort from him from the stands.

This play occurred in the 2nd half and was broken up by Winfield on a great play. Olave was giving it his all there.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/antoine-w...aunch-to-olave

10-02-2023, 10:42 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Anyone with all 22? I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation. Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much. MatthewT likes this.

10-03-2023, 07:02 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Anyone with all 22? Originally Posted by Danno I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation. Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much. That's what I was saying from the poor viewing angles from the too close bracketing of the cameras. We know , as KMajors pointed out in another thread , there were at least a couple of plays where WRs were way too close to one another, the MT and Olave one comes to mind. It still appears DC4 is holding on too long looking for the big play that isn't there.

10-03-2023, 03:46 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Anyone with all 22? Rev Duce on Who Dat confessional showed some ugly film pointing out poor route schemes that don't attack the middle of the field now, even with a healthy MT roaming around the underneath middle.. Instead, the play call is to run three vertical go routes on third and five without a checkdown valve. If it's third and eight we run all routes short of the first down marker and hoping that we'll get good YAC. The number of tight window throws on the sideline is mind boggling, especially with a QB coming off a shoulder injury. Throwing to the sideline every time shrinks the field opportunities. Why do we have multiple receivers running plays within reach of each other and condensing the coverage to one small area? We don't run screens with the RB or use motion to loosen up the defense. We run o the ball between the tackles on first down and throw deep on third when our line can't block that long.. Everyone has an opinion on how to fix the Saints except the Saints! ' Just keep doing what you're doing. We don't need to make any changes.' Dennis Allen at his finest. Rell&Gold and rezburna like this.
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10-03-2023, 04:22 PM	#5
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Anyone with all 22? Originally Posted by Danno I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation. Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much. I am going to keep an eye on Olave, I thought he may have been not giving his all at times but wasn't sure. I am also wondering if he is having some issues with route running, I only say that because I know some guys are running bad routes and do not believe Thomas would have that type of issue. Who knows...

10-03-2023, 04:30 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Anyone with all 22? I just hope these coaches haven't lost the locker room. Did you notice AK & Olave's body language? I mean, this was only midway (game was still within reach) of the 3rd quarter. Tampa Bay & Bowles's defense were diagnosing plays pre-snap. We have become too predictable. 4th & 1, DCarr is lined up as a FB? Wow. One (me) could argue that Pete has the most dynamic offense arsenal in YEARS at his disposal. Outside of Brees, I think this is the most collection of pure TALENT Pete has ever had to work with over the years. And we can't put up 14 points a game? Imagine what some of these other OCs could do with this current offensive roster. MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.
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10-03-2023, 10:35 AM	#3
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Anyone with all 22? Originally Posted by K Major I just hope these coaches haven't lost the locker room. Did you notice AK & Olave's body language? I mean, this was only midway (game was still within reach) of the 3rd quarter. Tampa Bay & Bowles's defense were diagnosing plays pre-snap. We have become too predictable. 4th & 1, DCarr is lined up as a FB? Wow. One (me) could argue that Pete has the most dynamic offense arsenal in YEARS at his disposal. Outside of Brees, I think this is the most collection of pure TALENT Pete has ever had to work with over the years. And we can't put up 14 points a game? Imagine what some of these other OCs could do with this current offensive roster. 100% agree. We would have killed to see this kind of talent at skill positions during Brees last few years. Something aint right. Has the team given up on Carr or the coaching staff or both? Some of the coaches in LV said some of the players thought Carr didnt take enough responsibilitu for his play or lack there of. He would say all the right things when the cameras were rolling but when he got to the locker room it was a different story. jnormand likes this.
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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: Anyone with all 22? Sometimes I wonder if Pete had a close friend from days past recently diagnosed with CTE and has become a born again flag football believer. He could be scheming to attack the sidelines and get the receiver out of bounds ASAP on every play to protect the receivers long term health. It would be noble, but it wont win a lot of games. Olave seems to run the 2 minute drill all game and probably leads all nfl receivers in speed to sidelines after catch. And we are avoiding the middle of the field and using TEs almost as ineligible oline.
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10-04-2023, 01:06 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Anyone with all 22? FYI, the Saints currently (after 4 weeks) rank last (#32) in using motions on dropbacks & pre snap motion. Playaction on 1st down would be a nice change. Usual suspects (Chiefs, Niners, Dolphins) are top 3. And people wonder why we are kicking fgs instead of tds every single week. jnormand likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Anyone with all 22? Originally Posted by Danno I can't tell from the TV broadcast but I wonder if receivers are getting open and Carr just isn't hitting them or our receivers just aren't getting separation. Obviously the O-line is still a big issue but I wonder. Seeing Olave loafing in the 2nd half, perhaps our receivers aren't helping matters much. Hey, Danno, can you identify which plays Olave supposedly "loafed" on in the second half. I've now heard a couple of people claim this and would like to see the actual plays. I never noticed any lack of effort from him from the stands. This play occurred in the 2nd half and was broken up by Winfield on a great play. Olave was giving it his all there. https://www.nfl.com/videos/antoine-w...aunch-to-olave