Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread

Sinner · 10-08-2023, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Well, not a bad call, huh?

Our Saints just laid the worst defeat ever in the glorious career of the godly Bill Belichick.

Careful with any digs towards Belichick. You just witnessed the shadow of a Man with barely a shell of a team. You best be not be throwing stones when Dennis Allen still has us in a glass house.

K Major · 10-08-2023, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Careful with any digs towards Belichick. You just witnessed the shadow of a Man with barely a shell of a team. You best be not be throwing stones when Dennis Allen still has us in a glass house.

Right.

Especially after this team stunk it up in back to back games.

Allen has done NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC.

Bill has the record and skins on the wall.

AsylumGuido · 10-08-2023, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Right.

Especially after this team stunk it up in back to back games.

Allen has done NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC.

Bill has the record and skins on the wall.

Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm.

Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch.

The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice.

Sinner · 10-08-2023, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm.

Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch.

The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice.

Bill made a LOT MORE happen than Brady.
Dennis makes a LOT LESS happen than Bill.
Our starting QB will never be Brady.
Our Head Coach will never be Belichick.
Our poorly coached team beat a tired coach with a bad team today.
It’s going to give our Coaching Staff a hollow pass for awhile.
Congratulations.

vpheughan · 10-08-2023, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Bill made a LOT MORE happen than Brady.
Dennis makes a LOT LESS happen than Bill.
Our starting QB will never be Brady.
Our Head Coach will never be Belichick.
Our poorly coached team beat a tired coach with a bad team today.
It’s going to give our Coaching Staff a hollow pass for awhile.
Congratulations.

Is that Don Henley in the background?

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're stiff)
(Kick 'em all around)

Sinner · 10-08-2023, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Is that Don Henley in the background?

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're stiff)
(Kick 'em all around)

By all means… KEEP KICKIN

BakoSaint · 10-09-2023, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm.

Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch.

The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice.

The first 2 games where we were 2-0 and prohibitive Super Bowl favorites we won by a combined 4 points against 2 lousy teams that were both 7-10 last year and are a combined 2-7 this year.

Bill Belichick's career record without Brady is still a lot better than DA's overall or with Carr. Belichick discovered numerous stars other teams missed like Welker, Gronk, rehabilitating Moss when he looked done, converting Edelman from QB, etc. Belichick innovated a lot. He also avoided salary cap hell over the years by moving on from players before they passed their prime. He was a great coach along with Brady as a great QB. But coaches get old too and eventually their minds get less sharp and there is less time to start over. Eventually they want to go back to what worked in the past and rely on familiar faces who already know how to teach it. In all likelihood Belichick and Brady are both faded talents now. Brady just had a cheat code for 2020 in going to a team with tons of cap room and star players to put around him, and a coach in Bruce Arians who although not Belichick's equal was definitely a much better HC than Mac Jones turned out to be as QB. Arians was experienced, established in Tampa Bay, and did not have the pressure of turning himself into the next Bill Belichick just because he had an aging Tom Brady with initially low expectations. Mac Jones was a rookie in New England with the pressure of being the next Tom Brady alongside Belichick in a Pats uniform.

Most head coaches records come with a certain QB. So I don't think you can take much away from Belichick. Likewise just because Phil Jackson was able to win again with the Lakers and Jordan was not able to win again with the Wizards, I don't think you can say Michael Jordan was no good because of his mediocre record in Washington and the fact that all of his 6 championships came with Phil Jackson who proved he was the real winner by winning elsewhere. Bill Belichick is the Michael Jordan of head coaches, but this is the Wizards era of his talent.

Sinner · 10-09-2023, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The first 2 games where we were 2-0 and prohibitive Super Bowl favorites we won by a combined 4 points against 2 lousy teams that were both 7-10 last year and are a combined 2-7 this year.

Bill Belichick's career record without Brady is still a lot better than DA's overall or with Carr. Belichick discovered numerous stars other teams missed like Welker, Gronk, rehabilitating Moss when he looked done, converting Edelman from QB, etc. Belichick innovated a lot. He also avoided salary cap hell over the years by moving on from players before they passed their prime. He was a great coach along with Brady as a great QB. But coaches get old too and eventually their minds get less sharp and there is less time to start over. Eventually they want to go back to what worked in the past and rely on familiar faces who already know how to teach it. In all likelihood Belichick and Brady are both faded talents now. Brady just had a cheat code for 2020 in going to a team with tons of cap room and star players to put around him, and a coach in Bruce Arians who although not Belichick's equal was definitely a much better HC than Mac Jones turned out to be as QB. Arians was experienced, established in Tampa Bay, and did not have the pressure of turning himself into the next Bill Belichick just because he had an aging Tom Brady with initially low expectations. Mac Jones was a rookie in New England with the pressure of being the next Tom Brady alongside Belichick in a Pats uniform.

Most head coaches records come with a certain QB. So I don't think you can take much away from Belichick. Likewise just because Phil Jackson was able to win again with the Lakers and Jordan was not able to win again with the Wizards, I don't think you can say Michael Jordan was no good because of his mediocre record in Washington and the fact that all of his 6 championships came with Phil Jackson who proved he was the real winner by winning elsewhere. Bill Belichick is the Michael Jordan of head coaches, but this is the Wizards era of his talent.

Comparing Allen to Belichick would be like comparing Carr to Brady.
I am very happy with a shut out WIN on the road, against a bad team with an old and tired coach, but let’s not get carried away.

Sinner · 10-08-2023, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Right.

Especially after this team stunk it up in back to back games.

Allen has done NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC.

Bill has the record and skins on the wall.

And Lombardis on his mantle.

K Major · 10-08-2023, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

And Lombardis on his mantle.

Yes sir.

10-08-2023, 03:45 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,078	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Well, not a bad call, huh? Our Saints just laid the worst defeat ever in the glorious career of the godly Bill Belichick. Careful with any digs towards Belichick. You just witnessed the shadow of a Man with barely a shell of a team. You best be not be throwing stones when Dennis Allen still has us in a glass house.
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10-08-2023, 03:58 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,894 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by Sinner Careful with any digs towards Belichick. You just witnessed the shadow of a Man with barely a shell of a team. You best be not be throwing stones when Dennis Allen still has us in a glass house. Right. Especially after this team stunk it up in back to back games. Allen has done NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC. Bill has the record and skins on the wall.

10-08-2023, 04:29 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,911	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by K Major Right. Especially after this team stunk it up in back to back games. Allen has done NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC. Bill has the record and skins on the wall. Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm. Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch. The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice.

10-08-2023, 04:43 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,078	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm. Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch. The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice. Bill made a LOT MORE happen than Brady. Dennis makes a LOT LESS happen than Bill. Our starting QB will never be Brady. Our Head Coach will never be Belichick. Our poorly coached team beat a tired coach with a bad team today. It’s going to give our Coaching Staff a hollow pass for awhile. Congratulations.
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10-08-2023, 05:09 PM	#5
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,566	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by Sinner Bill made a LOT MORE happen than Brady. Dennis makes a LOT LESS happen than Bill. Our starting QB will never be Brady. Our Head Coach will never be Belichick. Our poorly coached team beat a tired coach with a bad team today. It’s going to give our Coaching Staff a hollow pass for awhile. Congratulations. Is that Don Henley in the background? Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're stiff Kick 'em all around (Kick 'em when they're up) (Kick 'em when they're down) (Kick 'em when they're up) (Kick 'em when they're down) (Kick 'em when they're up) (Kick 'em when they're down) (Kick 'em when they're stiff) (Kick 'em all around)
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10-08-2023, 05:19 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,078	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by vpheughan Is that Don Henley in the background? Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're stiff Kick 'em all around (Kick 'em when they're up) (Kick 'em when they're down) (Kick 'em when they're up) (Kick 'em when they're down) (Kick 'em when they're up) (Kick 'em when they're down) (Kick 'em when they're stiff) (Kick 'em all around) By all means… KEEP KICKIN
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10-09-2023, 09:45 AM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,453	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm. Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch. The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice. The first 2 games where we were 2-0 and prohibitive Super Bowl favorites we won by a combined 4 points against 2 lousy teams that were both 7-10 last year and are a combined 2-7 this year. Bill Belichick's career record without Brady is still a lot better than DA's overall or with Carr. Belichick discovered numerous stars other teams missed like Welker, Gronk, rehabilitating Moss when he looked done, converting Edelman from QB, etc. Belichick innovated a lot. He also avoided salary cap hell over the years by moving on from players before they passed their prime. He was a great coach along with Brady as a great QB. But coaches get old too and eventually their minds get less sharp and there is less time to start over. Eventually they want to go back to what worked in the past and rely on familiar faces who already know how to teach it. In all likelihood Belichick and Brady are both faded talents now. Brady just had a cheat code for 2020 in going to a team with tons of cap room and star players to put around him, and a coach in Bruce Arians who although not Belichick's equal was definitely a much better HC than Mac Jones turned out to be as QB. Arians was experienced, established in Tampa Bay, and did not have the pressure of turning himself into the next Bill Belichick just because he had an aging Tom Brady with initially low expectations. Mac Jones was a rookie in New England with the pressure of being the next Tom Brady alongside Belichick in a Pats uniform. Most head coaches records come with a certain QB. So I don't think you can take much away from Belichick. Likewise just because Phil Jackson was able to win again with the Lakers and Jordan was not able to win again with the Wizards, I don't think you can say Michael Jordan was no good because of his mediocre record in Washington and the fact that all of his 6 championships came with Phil Jackson who proved he was the real winner by winning elsewhere. Bill Belichick is the Michael Jordan of head coaches, but this is the Wizards era of his talent.
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10-09-2023, 11:28 AM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,078	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by BakoSaint The first 2 games where we were 2-0 and prohibitive Super Bowl favorites we won by a combined 4 points against 2 lousy teams that were both 7-10 last year and are a combined 2-7 this year. Bill Belichick's career record without Brady is still a lot better than DA's overall or with Carr. Belichick discovered numerous stars other teams missed like Welker, Gronk, rehabilitating Moss when he looked done, converting Edelman from QB, etc. Belichick innovated a lot. He also avoided salary cap hell over the years by moving on from players before they passed their prime. He was a great coach along with Brady as a great QB. But coaches get old too and eventually their minds get less sharp and there is less time to start over. Eventually they want to go back to what worked in the past and rely on familiar faces who already know how to teach it. In all likelihood Belichick and Brady are both faded talents now. Brady just had a cheat code for 2020 in going to a team with tons of cap room and star players to put around him, and a coach in Bruce Arians who although not Belichick's equal was definitely a much better HC than Mac Jones turned out to be as QB. Arians was experienced, established in Tampa Bay, and did not have the pressure of turning himself into the next Bill Belichick just because he had an aging Tom Brady with initially low expectations. Mac Jones was a rookie in New England with the pressure of being the next Tom Brady alongside Belichick in a Pats uniform. Most head coaches records come with a certain QB. So I don't think you can take much away from Belichick. Likewise just because Phil Jackson was able to win again with the Lakers and Jordan was not able to win again with the Wizards, I don't think you can say Michael Jordan was no good because of his mediocre record in Washington and the fact that all of his 6 championships came with Phil Jackson who proved he was the real winner by winning elsewhere. Bill Belichick is the Michael Jordan of head coaches, but this is the Wizards era of his talent. Comparing Allen to Belichick would be like comparing Carr to Brady. I am very happy with a shut out WIN on the road, against a bad team with an old and tired coach, but let’s not get carried away.
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10-08-2023, 04:34 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,078	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by K Major Right. Especially after this team stunk it up in back to back games. Allen has done NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC. Bill has the record and skins on the wall. And Lombardis on his mantle.
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10-08-2023, 05:04 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,894 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread Originally Posted by Sinner And Lombardis on his mantle. Yes sir.