I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season.

4everSaint · 10-15-2023, 07:22 PM

For this year for the first time in my life. I don't care if we lose out.

It should freaking hopefully guarantee that DA and Pete are gone. There is no way in hell someone could justify keeping them if we lose out. If we somehow get our crap together and finish 8-9 or 9-8. It'll be, oh well they are still getting adjusted. Blah Blah Blah. F*ck that. Plus we would get a pretty damn good draft pick.

I am just done with these two. There is no universe where this will ever work. Hell Pete didn't even want the job. I mean who has to be "talked into" a promotion?

See the twitter post of Carr yelling at Pete at the end of the game after that 4th down play. Speaks volumes.
https://x.com/1RealNative/status/171...025090319?s=20

Hopefully our talent won't want to leave if I said above happens. If they do, fine. New blood!

Officially a NegaSaint for the rest of the season.

Sinner · 10-15-2023, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

For this year for the first time in my life. I don't care if we lose out.

It should freaking hopefully guarantee that DA and Pete are gone. There is no way in hell someone could justify keeping them if we lose out. If we somehow get our crap together and finish 8-9 or 9-8. It'll be, oh well they are still getting adjusted. Blah Blah Blah. F*ck that. Plus we would get a pretty damn good draft pick.

I am just done with these two. There is no universe where this will ever work. Hell Pete didn't even want the job. I mean who has to be "talked into" a promotion?

See the twitter post of Carr yelling at Pete at the end of the game after that 4th down play. Speaks volumes.
https://x.com/1RealNative/status/171...025090319?s=20

Hopefully our talent won't want to leave if I said above happens. If they do, fine. New blood!

Officially a NegaSaint for the rest of the season.

DA and Pete needed to be gone last year. They AINTS goin nowhere. This will be painful.

BakoSaint · 10-15-2023, 09:09 PM

We could also trade some players to get some draft picks and long term cap relief. Michael Thomas to the Chiefs could make sense.

mapcow · 10-15-2023, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

We could also trade some players to get some draft picks and long term cap relief. Michael Thomas to the Chiefs could make sense.

nobody is gonna want Thomas; damaged goods.

BakoSaint · 10-15-2023, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

nobody is gonna want Thomas; damaged goods.

I disagree. I think we could get something for him because of the specifics of his contract which makes him a low cost rental. When we restructured his contract we converted almost all his base salary to an immediate bonus. He is not under contract for 2024 except for hypothetical void years designed to prorate that bonus and past bonuses. If we trade him this year we take all the hit against the 2024 cap and can't divide half of it into the 2025 cap, but that dead cap hit goes to us, the only thing that can transfer in the trade to the Chiefs cap is his $1.26 million salary (perhaps 800k only since some checks have already been cashed) and any future years salary or bonuses (of which there are none) so for the Chiefs he would be an $800,000 rental for the rest of the year. I don't know how his incentive bonuses work, so maybe that could be a tiny bit more if he stays healthy all season. But if you look at the Chiefs they have a Super Bowl team minus any good experienced possession receiver and their offense goes haywire when Kelce is out. If they can rent Thomas for $800,000 for the rest of the year for a late 4th round pick with a 7th coming back, or something along those lines, I think it could make sense. Jerry Jeudy has a cheap rookie contract too but maybe the Broncos want more cash. Courtland Sutton carries a $14 million base salary over 10x what Thomas would cost on their cap. They would not just get Thomas, they would get Thomas with a contract that largely is already cashed out so they pay next to nothing.

Since essentially all our contracts are like this, any trade provides a similar one year value to our trade partner. We already paid everyones salary in March. Anyone we trade to another team have all but $1 million of their 2023 salary already paid so they are very cheap for one year.

SmashMouth · 10-15-2023, 11:29 PM

Thomas is a beast ... he's all the way back. No way you get rid of him now.

BakoSaint · 10-16-2023, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Thomas is a beast ... he's all the way back. No way you get rid of him now.

We aren’t championship contenders this year, we need to rebuild, and Thomas is a free agent after this year. A rebuilding team would not sign a pricey free agent with a long injury history based off a one year comeback at a position where we already have lots of young talent. So, if we are moving on anyway, why not trade him and get some value?

Let say we did want to resign him in the offseason. But lets say we have limited free agent budget, because we do. In what world would retaining Thomas be a wiser use of that limited money than bolstering the oline? Talented oline with risky injury histories are generally available too, so if we are going to roll the dice, thats the bigger position of need right?

So in no world does it make sense to retain Thomas in 2024 and in no world can we win a ring this year. So it makes sense to trade him. Unless being able to lift 500lb allows him to play oline now??!

jnormand · 10-16-2023, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

For this year for the first time in my life. I don't care if we lose out.

It should freaking hopefully guarantee that DA and Pete are gone. There is no way in hell someone could justify keeping them if we lose out. If we somehow get our crap together and finish 8-9 or 9-8. It'll be, oh well they are still getting adjusted. Blah Blah Blah. F*ck that. Plus we would get a pretty damn good draft pick.

I am just done with these two. There is no universe where this will ever work. Hell Pete didn't even want the job. I mean who has to be "talked into" a promotion?

See the twitter post of Carr yelling at Pete at the end of the game after that 4th down play. Speaks volumes.
https://x.com/1RealNative/status/171...025090319?s=20

Hopefully our talent won't want to leave if I said above happens. If they do, fine. New blood!

Officially a NegaSaint for the rest of the season.

Sad. Carr knows the play calling is ****. It’s ridiculous. Get the **** rid of Pete C! He’s garbage!

BakoSaint · 10-16-2023, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Sad. Carr knows the play calling is ****. It’s ridiculous. Get the **** rid of Pete C! He’s garbage!

Brees vouched for PC to Carr. Maybe next he can recommend a great jeweler in San Diego.

voodooido · 10-16-2023, 11:43 AM

This is just foolish. Just get rid of PC. We would be fine

10-15-2023, 07:22 PM	#1
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 831	I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. For this year for the first time in my life. I don't care if we lose out. It should freaking hopefully guarantee that DA and Pete are gone. There is no way in hell someone could justify keeping them if we lose out. If we somehow get our crap together and finish 8-9 or 9-8. It'll be, oh well they are still getting adjusted. Blah Blah Blah. F*ck that. Plus we would get a pretty damn good draft pick. I am just done with these two. There is no universe where this will ever work. Hell Pete didn't even want the job. I mean who has to be "talked into" a promotion? See the twitter post of Carr yelling at Pete at the end of the game after that 4th down play. Speaks volumes. https://x.com/1RealNative/status/171...025090319?s=20 Hopefully our talent won't want to leave if I said above happens. If they do, fine. New blood! Officially a NegaSaint for the rest of the season. MatthewT, mapcow and Rell&Gold like this.

10-15-2023, 08:18 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. Originally Posted by 4everSaint For this year for the first time in my life. I don't care if we lose out. It should freaking hopefully guarantee that DA and Pete are gone. There is no way in hell someone could justify keeping them if we lose out. If we somehow get our crap together and finish 8-9 or 9-8. It'll be, oh well they are still getting adjusted. Blah Blah Blah. F*ck that. Plus we would get a pretty damn good draft pick. I am just done with these two. There is no universe where this will ever work. Hell Pete didn't even want the job. I mean who has to be "talked into" a promotion? See the twitter post of Carr yelling at Pete at the end of the game after that 4th down play. Speaks volumes. https://x.com/1RealNative/status/171...025090319?s=20 Hopefully our talent won't want to leave if I said above happens. If they do, fine. New blood! Officially a NegaSaint for the rest of the season. DA and Pete needed to be gone last year. They AINTS goin nowhere. This will be painful. 4everSaint, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.
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10-15-2023, 09:09 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. We could also trade some players to get some draft picks and long term cap relief. Michael Thomas to the Chiefs could make sense.
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10-15-2023, 10:20 PM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. Originally Posted by BakoSaint We could also trade some players to get some draft picks and long term cap relief. Michael Thomas to the Chiefs could make sense. nobody is gonna want Thomas; damaged goods.
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10-15-2023, 10:40 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. Originally Posted by mapcow nobody is gonna want Thomas; damaged goods. I disagree. I think we could get something for him because of the specifics of his contract which makes him a low cost rental. When we restructured his contract we converted almost all his base salary to an immediate bonus. He is not under contract for 2024 except for hypothetical void years designed to prorate that bonus and past bonuses. If we trade him this year we take all the hit against the 2024 cap and can't divide half of it into the 2025 cap, but that dead cap hit goes to us, the only thing that can transfer in the trade to the Chiefs cap is his $1.26 million salary (perhaps 800k only since some checks have already been cashed) and any future years salary or bonuses (of which there are none) so for the Chiefs he would be an $800,000 rental for the rest of the year. I don't know how his incentive bonuses work, so maybe that could be a tiny bit more if he stays healthy all season. But if you look at the Chiefs they have a Super Bowl team minus any good experienced possession receiver and their offense goes haywire when Kelce is out. If they can rent Thomas for $800,000 for the rest of the year for a late 4th round pick with a 7th coming back, or something along those lines, I think it could make sense. Jerry Jeudy has a cheap rookie contract too but maybe the Broncos want more cash. Courtland Sutton carries a $14 million base salary over 10x what Thomas would cost on their cap. They would not just get Thomas, they would get Thomas with a contract that largely is already cashed out so they pay next to nothing. Since essentially all our contracts are like this, any trade provides a similar one year value to our trade partner. We already paid everyones salary in March. Anyone we trade to another team have all but $1 million of their 2023 salary already paid so they are very cheap for one year.
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10-15-2023, 11:29 PM	#6
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10-16-2023, 12:02 AM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. Originally Posted by SmashMouth Thomas is a beast ... he's all the way back. No way you get rid of him now. We aren’t championship contenders this year, we need to rebuild, and Thomas is a free agent after this year. A rebuilding team would not sign a pricey free agent with a long injury history based off a one year comeback at a position where we already have lots of young talent. So, if we are moving on anyway, why not trade him and get some value? Let say we did want to resign him in the offseason. But lets say we have limited free agent budget, because we do. In what world would retaining Thomas be a wiser use of that limited money than bolstering the oline? Talented oline with risky injury histories are generally available too, so if we are going to roll the dice, thats the bigger position of need right? So in no world does it make sense to retain Thomas in 2024 and in no world can we win a ring this year. So it makes sense to trade him. Unless being able to lift 500lb allows him to play oline now??!
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10-16-2023, 12:50 AM	#8
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. Originally Posted by 4everSaint For this year for the first time in my life. I don't care if we lose out. It should freaking hopefully guarantee that DA and Pete are gone. There is no way in hell someone could justify keeping them if we lose out. If we somehow get our crap together and finish 8-9 or 9-8. It'll be, oh well they are still getting adjusted. Blah Blah Blah. Fck that. Plus we would get a pretty damn good draft pick. I am just done with these two. There is no universe where this will ever work. Hell Pete didn't even want the job. I mean who has to be "talked into" a promotion? See the twitter post of Carr yelling at Pete at the end of the game after that 4th down play. Speaks volumes. https://x.com/1RealNative/status/171...025090319?s=20 Hopefully our talent won't want to leave if I said above happens. If they do, fine. New blood! Officially a NegaSaint for the rest of the season. Sad. Carr knows the play calling is *. It’s ridiculous. Get the ** rid of Pete C! He’s garbage! Rugby Saint II and 4everSaint like this.

10-16-2023, 01:10 AM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. Originally Posted by jnormand Sad. Carr knows the play calling is **. It’s ridiculous. Get the ** rid of Pete C! He’s garbage! Brees vouched for PC to Carr. Maybe next he can recommend a great jeweler in San Diego. jnormand, 4everSaint and K Major like this.
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10-16-2023, 11:43 AM	#10
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: I don't like losing but we need to for the rest of the season. This is just foolish. Just get rid of PC. We would be fine
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