Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.

WW_Who_Dat · 10-24-2023, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I want him to offer some some advice on how to fix things, He reminds me of mapcow. He just isn't a happy camper even when things are going well. Like I said, I used to like him.

Ross Jackson is a bit of a sunshine pumper though, but he has ideas on how to fix things and will discuss them. Not just go off on a rant. He also attends games and practices.

Moscona does neither one, and gets his opinions from other people rather than digging in for details That's it! He's shallow and acts like he's an insider. We've got enough of that on the bng already, which is enough for me.

Rugs I agree I’m certainly not happy with the product at this point but this not DC fault entirely. Oline play, play design, offensive scheme, play calling, route running, JT called that out on more than one occasion and play, communication and at this point in the season is more about our coaching staff for Christ sake.

How can you point a finger at one single thing or individual when you have all the rest of the team structure, function and accountability that is just not working. That’s on coaching and to think at this point Allen and our OC will turn the offensive side around is a long shot at best.

Stop watching AFR was just was into Moscone’s stick.

SmashMouth · 10-24-2023, 09:39 PM

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K Major · 10-25-2023, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/4HsowdYmenA

So we have teams/players knowing where Carr is going (check down) pre snap, respected analyst(s) all saying the same thing (missing open reads) in their weekly breakdowns, Rez sitting in the expensive seats knowing exactly where he is going with the ball, holding it too long, etc, etc.

Geez, we’re in trouble

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mapcow · 10-25-2023, 01:25 AM

There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!!

Rugby Saint II · 10-26-2023, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Rugs I agree I’m certainly not happy with the product at this point but this not DC fault entirely. Oline play, play design, offensive scheme, play calling, route running, JT called that out on more than one occasion and play, communication and at this point in the season is more about our coaching staff for Christ sake.

How can you point a finger at one single thing or individual when you have all the rest of the team structure, function and accountability that is just not working. That’s on coaching and to think at this point Allen and our OC will turn the offensive side around is a long shot at best.

Stop watching AFR was just was into Moscone’s stick.

I respect your opinion WW, but I have to say that the team problems fall squarely on Dennis Allen. He was the one who wanted to hire Dougie Moron(the O line coach). He was the one who wanted to hire Pete Carmichael. He was the one who signed off on the draft reaches.

He set this team up by bringing in his old cronies from previous stops rather than look for fresh ideas elsewhere. He's still letting Carmichael call stale plays rather than replacing him.

Nepotism.....

BakoSaint · 12-24-2023, 03:47 PM

Spotrac and Overthecap are now showing the Saints as $87-89 million over the 2024 cap. When I wrote this post 2 months ago, they showed us $71.5 million over the cap. Does anyone know how this happened? They project for an increased salary cap, so did projections fall due to some kind of delayed NFL TV deals? I don't think we extended any more contracts. Did players somehow trigger some giant bonuses? Did BS like signing Jason Pierre Paul for one game have a bad effect?

Almost $90 million over the cap is bad. Essentially we are at a point where Carr could hold the franchise hostage and demand a 10 year fully guaranteed extension with full veto power over all personnel moves to restructure his contract, and Loomis might have to thank him and say yes. Yes we can get under the cap but it makes a rebuild or getting younger almost impossible as we have to restructure virtually everyone but Carr if Carr won't go along with it. If Carr and a couple other players banded together on resisting restructures, they could control the team.

And yes there are tricks to get under the cap with Post-June-1 cut designations, but my understanding is that that designation does not actually cut your cap until June 1, even if it allows the player to move on and sign elsewhere in the meantime, and it is against league rules to exceed the salary cap in March, April, and May. So now we have to restructure 3/4 of our veteran roster by salary.

Sinner · 12-24-2023, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!!

Dat be some funny sheet right there…

WW_Who_Dat · 12-24-2023, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I respect your opinion WW, but I have to say that the team problems fall squarely on Dennis Allen. He was the one who wanted to hire Dougie Moron(the O line coach). He was the one who wanted to hire Pete Carmichael. He was the one who signed off on the draft reaches.

He set this team up by bringing in his old cronies from previous stops rather than look for fresh ideas elsewhere. He's still letting Carmichael call stale plays rather than replacing him. Nepotism.....

Hey Rugs my bad Allen has no business acting like Head Coach …. He’s made that abundantly clear.

K Major · 12-24-2023, 05:58 PM

Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST
draft a QB.

Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be.

He’s as mediocre as they come.

lee909 · 12-24-2023, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST
draft a QB.

Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be.

He’s as mediocre as they come.

I'd want thart offensive fixed before a young QB exposed to playing with what's there now

10-24-2023, 06:28 PM	#21
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I want him to offer some some advice on how to fix things, He reminds me of mapcow. He just isn't a happy camper even when things are going well. Like I said, I used to like him. Ross Jackson is a bit of a sunshine pumper though, but he has ideas on how to fix things and will discuss them. Not just go off on a rant. He also attends games and practices. Moscona does neither one, and gets his opinions from other people rather than digging in for details That's it! He's shallow and acts like he's an insider. We've got enough of that on the bng already, which is enough for me. Rugs I agree I’m certainly not happy with the product at this point but this not DC fault entirely. Oline play, play design, offensive scheme, play calling, route running, JT called that out on more than one occasion and play, communication and at this point in the season is more about our coaching staff for Christ sake. How can you point a finger at one single thing or individual when you have all the rest of the team structure, function and accountability that is just not working. That’s on coaching and to think at this point Allen and our OC will turn the offensive side around is a long shot at best. Stop watching AFR was just was into Moscone’s stick. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-25-2023, 12:23 AM	#23
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/4HsowdYmenA So we have teams/players knowing where Carr is going (check down) pre snap, respected analyst(s) all saying the same thing (missing open reads) in their weekly breakdowns, Rez sitting in the expensive seats knowing exactly where he is going with the ball, holding it too long, etc, etc. Geez, we’re in trouble . Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

10-25-2023, 01:25 AM	#24
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!! Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.
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10-26-2023, 04:18 PM	#25
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Rugs I agree I’m certainly not happy with the product at this point but this not DC fault entirely. Oline play, play design, offensive scheme, play calling, route running, JT called that out on more than one occasion and play, communication and at this point in the season is more about our coaching staff for Christ sake. How can you point a finger at one single thing or individual when you have all the rest of the team structure, function and accountability that is just not working. That’s on coaching and to think at this point Allen and our OC will turn the offensive side around is a long shot at best. Stop watching AFR was just was into Moscone’s stick. I respect your opinion WW, but I have to say that the team problems fall squarely on Dennis Allen. He was the one who wanted to hire Dougie Moron(the O line coach). He was the one who wanted to hire Pete Carmichael. He was the one who signed off on the draft reaches. He set this team up by bringing in his old cronies from previous stops rather than look for fresh ideas elsewhere. He's still letting Carmichael call stale plays rather than replacing him. Nepotism..... mapcow and K Major like this.

12-24-2023, 03:47 PM	#26
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Spotrac and Overthecap are now showing the Saints as $87-89 million over the 2024 cap. When I wrote this post 2 months ago, they showed us $71.5 million over the cap. Does anyone know how this happened? They project for an increased salary cap, so did projections fall due to some kind of delayed NFL TV deals? I don't think we extended any more contracts. Did players somehow trigger some giant bonuses? Did BS like signing Jason Pierre Paul for one game have a bad effect? Almost $90 million over the cap is bad. Essentially we are at a point where Carr could hold the franchise hostage and demand a 10 year fully guaranteed extension with full veto power over all personnel moves to restructure his contract, and Loomis might have to thank him and say yes. Yes we can get under the cap but it makes a rebuild or getting younger almost impossible as we have to restructure virtually everyone but Carr if Carr won't go along with it. If Carr and a couple other players banded together on resisting restructures, they could control the team. And yes there are tricks to get under the cap with Post-June-1 cut designations, but my understanding is that that designation does not actually cut your cap until June 1, even if it allows the player to move on and sign elsewhere in the meantime, and it is against league rules to exceed the salary cap in March, April, and May. So now we have to restructure 3/4 of our veteran roster by salary.
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12-24-2023, 03:49 PM	#27
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WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I respect your opinion WW, but I have to say that the team problems fall squarely on Dennis Allen. He was the one who wanted to hire Dougie Moron(the O line coach). He was the one who wanted to hire Pete Carmichael. He was the one who signed off on the draft reaches. He set this team up by bringing in his old cronies from previous stops rather than look for fresh ideas elsewhere. He's still letting Carmichael call stale plays rather than replacing him. Nepotism..... Hey Rugs my bad Allen has no business acting like Head Coach …. He’s made that abundantly clear.

12-24-2023, 05:58 PM	#29
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST draft a QB. Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be. He’s as mediocre as they come. Sinner likes this.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option. Originally Posted by K Major Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST draft a QB. Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be. He’s as mediocre as they come. I'd want thart offensive fixed before a young QB exposed to playing with what's there now MarchingOn likes this.