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Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Loomis and the scouts should be under far more scrutiny. Loomis has backed himself into a corner where he can do nothing but keep doubling down and trying to manipulate his was out of cap issues. Instead of admitting the ...

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Old 10-23-2023, 10:04 PM   #1
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Loomis and the scouts should be under far more scrutiny. Loomis has backed himself into a corner where he can do nothing but keep doubling down and trying to manipulate his was out of cap issues. Instead of admitting the window closed before Brees retired he kept with him and Payton for one more year. The chances of a title ended with Rams/Viking playoff defeats. They should have let a few big contracts,vets go and rebuild. Instead they held on to them, lost young players and are in the Jeff Fisher Rams cycle of being a game or 2 from .500 every year. No cap space or top 5 picks to turn a team around and wasting multiple picks on players no better than avg starters in the league

Too many first round picks on players that just lower/mid tier starters. Very few game changing players. Whoever is scouting both sides of the line needs booted out.

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth View Post
So we have teams/players knowing where Carr is going (check down) pre snap, respected analyst(s) all saying the same thing (missing open reads) in their weekly breakdowns, Rez sitting in the expensive seats knowing exactly where he is going with the ball, holding it too long, etc, etc.

Geez, we’re in trouble .
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There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!!
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There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!!
Dat be some funny sheet right there…
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Spotrac and Overthecap are now showing the Saints as $87-89 million over the 2024 cap. When I wrote this post 2 months ago, they showed us $71.5 million over the cap. Does anyone know how this happened? They project for an increased salary cap, so did projections fall due to some kind of delayed NFL TV deals? I don't think we extended any more contracts. Did players somehow trigger some giant bonuses? Did BS like signing Jason Pierre Paul for one game have a bad effect?

Almost $90 million over the cap is bad. Essentially we are at a point where Carr could hold the franchise hostage and demand a 10 year fully guaranteed extension with full veto power over all personnel moves to restructure his contract, and Loomis might have to thank him and say yes. Yes we can get under the cap but it makes a rebuild or getting younger almost impossible as we have to restructure virtually everyone but Carr if Carr won't go along with it. If Carr and a couple other players banded together on resisting restructures, they could control the team.

And yes there are tricks to get under the cap with Post-June-1 cut designations, but my understanding is that that designation does not actually cut your cap until June 1, even if it allows the player to move on and sign elsewhere in the meantime, and it is against league rules to exceed the salary cap in March, April, and May. So now we have to restructure 3/4 of our veteran roster by salary.
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Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST
draft a QB.

Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be.

He’s as mediocre as they come.
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Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST
draft a QB.

Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be.

He’s as mediocre as they come.

I'd want thart offensive fixed before a young QB exposed to playing with what's there now
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I'd want thart offensive fixed before a young QB exposed to playing with what's there now
Offense is fine. Carr is just a bridge so a draft pick is gonna sit for a year anyway.

Get quality coaches in New Orleans.

Imagine what Ben Johnson could do with this 2023 team.
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