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SmashMouth 10-29-2023 03:33 PM

Observations from the Saints win vs Colts
 
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A win feels good. It's an improvement . If we're to believe a former QB, Matt Leinart, now in the booth, it takes time for a QB and a new team to get their chit together. Should we believe him?

Time will tell. Let's enjoy this while we can. This sorry ass division is still up for the taking .

Who Dat !

Pete 10-29-2023 03:41 PM

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About to turn the Corner?

BakoSaint 10-29-2023 03:45 PM

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Dennis Allen stops Gardner Minshew. Steel sharpening steel. If this was the XFL. Now if you go on a winning streak and smack Detroit that proved something. But to trade games .500 with a bunch of mediocre to bad teams while having a weak schedule, it just proves mediocrity.

Rashid Shaheed is the best player on this offense. He should not be listed as 2nd team while Olave gets more targets than his attention span can handle. Making Shaheed the #1 featured receiver would improve the whole offense. Shaheed is proven statistically as fast as Tyreek Hill. When he draws the #1 corners it won't matter because even the #1 corners can't handle that speed, but it will take the #1 corners off Thomas and Olave/Perry and allow them to perform better too.

Olave may be suffering from imposter syndrome. He goes to practice, he sees Shaheed outperform him in practice every day, and then Sunday roles around and he gets all the targets above Shaheed, and he knows he doesn't belong. But if Olave is demoted to the #2/3/4 receiver range, he may gain confidence, and perform better, because he won't have to feel like he is being forced into a role where he doesn't belong with unreasonable expectations to outperform a generational talent.

Sinner 10-29-2023 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 984659)
Dennis Allen stops Gardner Minshew. Steel sharpening steel. If this was the XFL. Now if you go on a winning streak and smack Detroit that proved something. But to trade games .500 with a bunch of mediocre to bad teams while having a weak schedule, it just proves mediocrity.

Rashid Shaheed is the best player on this offense. He should not be listed as 2nd team while Olave gets more targets than his attention span can handle. Making Shaheed the #1 featured receiver would improve the whole offense. Shaheed is proven statistically as fast as Tyreek Hill. When he draws the #1 corners it won't matter because even the #1 corners can't handle that speed, but it will take the #1 corners off Thomas and Olave/Perry and allow them to perform better too.

Olave may be suffering from imposter syndrome. He goes to practice, he sees Shaheed outperform him in practice every day, and then Sunday roles around and he gets all the targets above Shaheed, and he knows he doesn't belong. But if Olave is demoted to the #2/3/4 receiver range, he may gain confidence, and perform better.

We have a talented team, desperately in need of a new Coaching Staff.

dizzle88 10-29-2023 03:50 PM

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Shaheed is everything Olave was drafted to be.

Olave just lacks any form of awareness, he threw his hands up when Carr missed him last week. Then drops the easiest TD this week.

Shaheed is an absolute baller. We need to lock him up to an extension soon.

Defense was extremely sloppy. Allowing 19 yards on 3rd and 18. Missing tackles, penalties, dropping multiple interceptions.

Paulson Adebo played a good game.

The safeties that allowed that late TD almost messed everything up.

rezburna 10-29-2023 04:22 PM

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First of all, there is no, truly dominant NFL team. Everyone is beatable. Keep getting better.

Olave doesn’t concern me. Carr isn’t on the same page with any of our receivers except Shaheed. We saw him miss Thomas on two easy slants. He misses Olave all the time. I saw Olave running wide open three times last week, so I’m not surprised he’s not expecting the ball. Carr missed him on an easy throw the very next play but that was ignored because the new flavor of the week is Olave = BAD MAN. That Shaheed TD happens because of Olave and the attention he draws. He has more separation on his routes than any of our receivers.

We should utilize Shaheed more though. Olave and Shaheed should be 1A and 1B.

Defense gotta be more dominant. Need another pass rusher opposite Granderson. Kick Cam Jordan inside.

Like the usage of Hill this week. That’s more like it. Good job in the red zone. We’re back tied for 1st. Keep going.

Halo 10-29-2023 04:26 PM

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There is no, truly dominant NFL team. Everyone is beatable. Keep getting better. Olave doesn’t concern me. Carr isn’t on the same page with any of our receivers. We saw him miss Thomas on two easy slants. He missed Olave all the time. I saw Olave running wide open three times last week, so I’m not surprised he’s not expecting the ball. Carr missed him on an easy throw the very next play but that was ignored because the new flavor of the week is Olave = BAD MAN. That Shaheed TD happens because of Olave and the attention he draws. He has more separation on his routes than any of our receivers. Defense gotta be more dominant. Need another pass rusher opposite Granderson. Kick Cam Jordan inside. Like the usage of Hill this week. That’s more like it. Good job in the red zone. We’re back tied for 1st. Keep going.

THIS IS REAL AND TRUE!
I only disagree on 1 point. Carr is somehow on the same page with Shaheed. Olave and MT, Carr struggles. Crazy. Just keep getting better. I've watched some "unstoppable" teams lay some eggs. It's the NFL.

Sinner 10-29-2023 04:38 PM

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HILL. KAMARA. SHAHEED.

THESE MEN CAME TO PLAY TODAY.

rezburna 10-29-2023 04:42 PM

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HILL. KAMARA. SHAHEED.

THESE MEN CAME TO PLAY TODAY.

Speaking of Kamara, a crossing route to clear out with Kamara on a Texas coming right behind it is easy yards whenever they want it.

BakoSaint 10-29-2023 04:50 PM

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First of all, there is no, truly dominant NFL team. Everyone is beatable. Keep getting better.

Olave doesn’t concern me. Carr isn’t on the same page with any of our receivers except Shaheed. We saw him miss Thomas on two easy slants. He misses Olave all the time. I saw Olave running wide open three times last week, so I’m not surprised he’s not expecting the ball. Carr missed him on an easy throw the very next play but that was ignored because the new flavor of the week is Olave = BAD MAN. That Shaheed TD happens because of Olave and the attention he draws. He has more separation on his routes than any of our receivers.

We should utilize Shaheed more though. Olave and Shaheed should be 1A and 1B.

Defense gotta be more dominant. Need another pass rusher opposite Granderson. Kick Cam Jordan inside.

Like the usage of Hill this week. That’s more like it. Good job in the red zone. We’re back tied for 1st. Keep going.

Everyone is beatable in 1 game but we are not getting a ring. It's like Shaq could sometimes get lucky and make a shot from half court, but Shaq is not making 4 consecutive shots from half court. Us beating 4 playoff quality teams to win a ring would be like that. We have not beat a winning team this year. We are like Shaq making 4 of 8 free throws and now saying he can't miss from half court. We face the easiest schedule in the league that will not prepare us for the playoffs. We are an aging inconsistent .500 team against an all-time weak schedule that never plays dominantly except against gutter teams, squeaking out close wins and losses against mediocre teams, with a vulnerable oline, a middle of the road qb, a mediocre pass rush, a head coach who has never won a playoff game in 6 or so years career, a QB who has never won a playoff game in 10+ years career. Any given Sunday sure. Maybe Dallas or SF sleeps on us and has some injuries and we somehow pull out a miracle. The next week its Philly or Detroit and we are on the road again. It just isn't happening. Teams like this don't win it all.

There are not teams that are always dominant in the league but there are teams who often dominate and are capable of dominating or at least beating very good teams for 3-4 consecutive games in the playoffs. We are just not one of those teams. We are not capable of being dominant for a month. We are barely capable of stringing together 2 consecutive wins against the worst of the league.

rezburna 10-29-2023 05:04 PM

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Everyone is beatable in 1 game but we are not getting a ring. It's like Shaq could sometimes get lucky and make a shot from half court, but Shaq is not making 4 consecutive shots from half court. Us beating 4 playoff quality teams to win a ring would be like that. We have not beat a winning team this year. We are like Shaq making 4 of 8 free throws and now saying he can't miss from half court. We face the easiest schedule in the league that will not prepare us for the playoffs. We are an aging inconsistent .500 team against an all-time weak schedule that never plays dominantly except against gutter teams, squeaking out close wins and losses against mediocre teams, with a vulnerable oline, a middle of the road qb, a mediocre pass rush, a head coach who has never won a playoff game in 6 or so years career, a QB who has never won a playoff game in 10+ years career. Any given Sunday sure. Maybe Dallas or SF sleeps on us and has some injuries and we somehow pull out a miracle. The next week its Philly or Detroit and we are on the road again. It just isn't happening. Teams like this don't win it all.

There are not teams that are always dominant in the league but there are teams who often dominate and are capable of dominating or at least beating very good teams for 3-4 consecutive games in the playoffs. We are just not one of those teams. We are not capable of being dominant for a month. We are barely capable of stringing together 2 consecutive wins against the worst of the league.

SF just lost to Cleveland and Minnesota back to back. They might lose to the Bengals today resulting in three L’s in a row. They are the worse match up for us stylistically though. However, their stars are injury prone and Purdy ain’t all that.

Dallas hasn’t beat any impressive teams. Jets without Rodgers? They lost to the Cardinals. They got dismantled by the 49ers. They beat the same bad Pats team we did. Giants? Chargers? Rams? Nah…they haven’t beat a very good team. Styles make fights. Two weeks ago we lose this game and don’t convert in the red zone. We have to acknowledge improvement just as much as we acknowledge failure. Colts have played everybody tough this year.

Pete 10-29-2023 05:23 PM

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Is the tide Turning?

rezburna 10-29-2023 05:24 PM

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Is the tide Turning?

There’s room for optimism. They damn near put up 40. Olave makes that catch and they do.

Pete 10-29-2023 05:35 PM

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There’s room for optimism. They damn near put up 40. Olave makes that catch and they do.

These cats ain't losers man.
It's taking a minute..

Hanging onto hope

neugey 10-29-2023 05:40 PM

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At the risk of sounding like an ambulance chaser, I think we need to talk trade with the Vikings and deal Jameis with Cousins going down. They have Hockensen and three excellent WR's to throw to once Jefferson comes back. I think Jameis is a good fit for what they do, and there's no point in keeping him with him unfairly buried in our doghouse.

I know it's not wise to help a team coming up on our schedule, but that does give us some more leverage in negotiations. Getting O-line help, swapping punters or getting lower round picks would seem alright.

Halo 10-29-2023 05:43 PM

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At the risk of sounding like an ambulance chaser, I think we need to talk trade with the Vikings and deal Jameis with Cousins going down. They have Hockensen and three excellent WR's to throw to once Jefferson comes back. I think Jameis is a good fit for what they do, and there's no point in keeping him with him unfairly buried in our doghouse.

I know it's not wise to help a team coming up on our schedule, but that does give us some more leverage in negotiations. Getting O-line help, swapping punters or getting lower round picks would seem alright.

With a chance of winning the division and making playoffs as a divison winner or wild card... maybe... we're not going to trade anybody.

rezburna 10-29-2023 05:44 PM

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At the risk of sounding like an ambulance chaser, I think we need to talk trade with the Vikings and deal Jameis with Cousins going down. They have Hockensen and three excellent WR's to throw to once Jefferson comes back. I think Jameis is a good fit for what they do, and there's no point in keeping him with him unfairly buried in our doghouse.

I know it's not wise to help a team coming up on our schedule, but that does give us some more leverage in negotiations. Getting O-line help, swapping punters or getting lower round picks would seem alright.

Danielle Hunter 👀

K Major 10-29-2023 05:51 PM

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K Major 10-29-2023 05:57 PM

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Saints need to take full advantage of a terrible NFC South division.

Keep an eye on the Saints upcoming opponent (Bears) tonight vs Chargers.

Halo 10-29-2023 06:11 PM

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For reference - watching the 3-3 Bengals put a hurting on the 49ers who are 5-2. A few weeks ago the 49ers was 5-0 UNDEFEATED and unstoppable. They're going to lose their third game in a row and go 5-3 and suddenly Purdy doesn't look like Superman.

Saints are 4-4. That's how it goes in the NFL.

Pete 10-29-2023 06:14 PM

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Jim Brown?

voodooido 10-29-2023 08:06 PM

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We have a talented team, desperately in need of a new Coaching Staff.

I’d keep most of the staff and ship out most of the fans.

SmashMouth 10-29-2023 08:24 PM

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K Major 10-29-2023 08:36 PM

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Is it too early to label him as “special”?

Last season (rookie) I was impressed with his fielding of punts/special teams.
This season, its his ability to get behind coverage & subsequent scoring as WR.

His ypc avg is ridiculous.

Undrafted gem & Weber St finest :p

BakoSaint 10-29-2023 08:53 PM

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People say our OC needs to scheme people open. Then most or all of our improvement on offense can be attributed to 3 big plays where our QB told our highly underutilized Tyreek Hill clone to just run and threw him bombs. Thats got to be the opposite of the OC scheming anyone open, just a super fast dude running. I feel like PC is just getting in the way and we would be better if we had no offensive coordinator than with PC.

BakoSaint 10-29-2023 08:55 PM

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I’d keep most of the staff and ship out most of the fans.

That seems to be the goal every other week.

jnormand 10-29-2023 10:04 PM

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Wtf does “If you see quarters, just run” mean? Lol.

Sinner 10-29-2023 10:19 PM

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I’d keep most of the staff and ship out most of the fans.

(Mis)Management is working on it, at least for a few more (sub)mediocre seasons.

SmashMouth 10-30-2023 12:36 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/live/AYgnoch...whiQp09EBHjkm1

dizzle88 10-30-2023 02:36 AM

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Wtf does “If you see quarters, just run” mean? Lol.

Quarters coverage by the DB's.

As I understand it, quarters coverage puts Shaheed in a basic 1 on 1 matchup with the DB, with no safety help over the top.

A matchup that Shaheed has proven he will win numerous times.

TheOak 10-30-2023 03:07 AM

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Everyone is beatable in 1 game but we are not getting a ring. It's like Shaq could sometimes get lucky and make a shot from half court, but Shaq is not making 4 consecutive shots from half court.

You are underestimating how much luck there actually is in football. It’s why you dress 46 to field 11, it’s why the phrase ‘any given Sunday’ is not a myth, it’s why dream-teams often go .500, it is why with rare exception the Super Bowl winners and MVPs are almost never back to back seasons.

In 2009 Sean Payton had a whole pallet of horseshoes up his ass.

voodooido 10-30-2023 08:22 AM

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That seems to be the goal every other week.

And yet you’re still here……

SmashMouth 10-30-2023 09:08 AM

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iceshack149 10-30-2023 09:16 AM

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Dennis Allen needs to improve his presence. It's difficult for grown men to get excited by a guy that has the presence of a youth pastor.
That said, great win. I'm right back in this abusive relationship and eager for more.

TheOak 10-30-2023 09:23 AM

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Dennis Allen needs to improve his presence. It's difficult for grown men to get excited by a guy that has the presence of a youth pastor.


That said, great win. I'm right back in this abusive relationship and eager for more.

Well, young men are afraid of youth pastors so there is that.. :)

rezburna 10-30-2023 09:35 AM

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Quarters coverage by the DB's.

As I understand it, quarters coverage puts Shaheed in a basic 1 on 1 matchup with the DB, with no safety help over the top.

A matchup that Shaheed has proven he will win numerous times.

This. In Quarters every DB has 1/4 of the the field. 25%…hence the name. Both CB’s and both safeties cover anything deep coming into their zone. It’s supposed to stop the deep ball, but if a guy can outrun it then it defeats the purpose.

Cruize 10-30-2023 09:40 AM

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-Didn't watch the game. One of a hand full over the past 25+ years I didn't. Not doing the Ticket on YouTube. Wasn't on locally.
-From the highlights, big plays from Shaheed and Hill. Not a formula you can count on every week.
-Win is a win.
-Playing a lesser opponent this week in the Bears. Gotta show up.

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-30-2023 10:26 AM

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-Didn't watch the game. One of a hand full over the past 25+ years I didn't. Not doing the Ticket on YouTube. Wasn't on locally.

My current streaming setup:

VPN (I use Private Internet Access)
kodi (I'm running on LibreElec to host)
Mad Titan Sports 2.0 Addon

Works really well. Almost as simple as choosing a channel on regular TV once you get it set up.

I hope the NFL eventually figures out that a large population of their fans are single team fans and that they need to develop a streaming product that is not app based (NFL+) for them. If YT had a Saints channel for $99 or so for the season, I would have bought it. But they don't. Somehow they think that a program that is broadcast for free in one area is somehow worth hundreds of dollars per year to access somewhere else. It's really dumb thinking with the Internet's ability to broadcast anything anywhere. And especially when over half the Saints season is broadcast for free here in the Atlanta area.

But no worries next week, because I'm actually going to the game!

SFIAH

SmashMouth 10-30-2023 10:49 AM

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dizzle88 10-30-2023 11:48 AM

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Lol so someone is pretending to be Michael Thomas.

They've essentially cloned his entire profile, but the @ handle of @edits, instead of @cantguardmike gives them away lol


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