Same ol'?

JKool · 10-09-2005, 09:42 PM

We lost badly today.

We are 2 and 3. There are 11 more games.

Our QB is streaky.

Our RB is not looking like a spring chicken, but he is tough and when the running game gets going, he can climb to 100 yards quickly.

Outside of today, our O Line looks pretty good. They're young, and they'll only get better.

When our WRs are doing their job, and not trying despirately to make plays, they're serviceable at least.

Our D Ends are phenomenal.

Our D Tackles are serviceable at best.

Our LBs are serviceable at best.

Our Safeties are both solid.

We have one good CB.

Am I wrong?

This seems like a reasonable account of what is.

Looking at these facts, does it seem to anyone that we will be 2 and 14 when the season ends? I think not. Does 2 and 3 mean we won't make the playoffs? I think not.

Again, I know we lost, but I say there is no reason to write us off yet. I don't see one here. I guess, I just don't see the argument that "we suck". Sure, "we sucked, today", but that is different from "we suck".

Someone please enlighten me as to what it is that they see (that isn't on my list) that I don't, that makes all the difference in conclusion "we suck" versus "we sucked, today".

JKool · 10-09-2005, 09:44 PM

PS - We've finally learned to run the screen pass. That counts as serious improvement in my book.

CHACHING · 10-09-2005, 09:48 PM

And Bullocks actualy looked descent...
(wish the rest of the team did)
TAKE CRAFT TO THE PARKING LOT AND BEAT HIM SILLY!
WTF is Fakir?

saintswhodi · 10-10-2005, 09:57 AM

Nice optimism Kool, but you forget we didn't just suck today.

Minny had no wins, guess who gave them one? Culpepper was leading the league in turnovers, he had 3 TDs no TOs against us. GB has one of the worst defenses in the league, and we managed 3 points. They got 28 off turnovers alone. They were without two pro bowl guards they lost in the off-season, their starting center, and their starting LT was playing on a bum wheel. We got outscored 52-0 after a 3-0 lead, again with 28 points off turnovers. Against the Giants, turnovers and penalties killed us again. So we have the one up emotional game in Carolina, and a win against a horrible JP Losman led Bills offense in which we hit the red zone 5 times and managed 1 TD. Not seeing the cause for optimism. It's not when you lose, it's how you lose that shows the character of a team to me. We may be 2-3, but it easily could be 0-5 had we been consistent in our mistakes, which there were too many of to say we could be 5-0. And this team under Haslett has shown repeatedly they will committ stupid mistakes and make stupid penalties, so it's not like we can look back over any particular stretch in Haslett's regime where this wasn't the case, so what's there for it to change?

JKool · 10-10-2005, 11:28 AM

More later today, but I wanted to say thanks for the thoughtful reply, Whodi. I'll ponder.

saintswhodi · 10-10-2005, 11:40 AM

As always Kool, anxiously waiting.

AllSaints · 10-10-2005, 12:03 PM

WE SUCKED !!!! HORRIBLE !!!

TheDeuce · 10-10-2005, 12:22 PM

Our QB is streaky.

Right on here Kool. AB can come out in one game and throw for 300 yards and be tossing lasers all over the field and look like a Pro-Bowl caliber player; and then he can come out the next game and play like he's the quarterback for the Little Giants.

Outside of today, our O Line looks pretty good. They're young, and they'll only get better.

This might be a little too optimistic for my opinion. They are still one of the most penalized groups in the NFL. They can't run block. Period. They're pass blocking has been good, so maybe that's where you were going with it.

Our LBs are serviceable at best.

These guys are absolutely awful. None of them have the ability to be game changers. They miss tackles and I still haven't seen them make a big play yet this season.

Overall, I think we do suck. However, with a change in the coaching and motivation of this team, I think that this could be a good team. Good analysis Kool

SaintStoneyMount · 10-10-2005, 03:08 PM

Kool. This is not news. We have always had the capability to be a better team. But as you said the QB is off and on. We failed to address the LB situation over the offseason and it is killing us. Fakir is a step up above Jason which means he at least will be in the highlight film when he gets burned. And now with Deuce lost for the season, we could very well be doomed...but now (if Haslett wants to keep his job) is the time to rally the troops. Now we get to see if this team has any pride. We need to go out there and kick the snot out of Atlanta for starters and then keep on kicking ass until we get a measure of respect. I hope they do it and if they don't...well that's my Saints ...ya gotta love em.

D_it_up · 10-10-2005, 07:27 PM

I'm hoping for a complete and total freefall to 2-14 and take Matt Leinart first in the draft!

10-09-2005, 09:42 PM	#1
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Same ol'? We lost badly today. We are 2 and 3. There are 11 more games. Our QB is streaky. Our RB is not looking like a spring chicken, but he is tough and when the running game gets going, he can climb to 100 yards quickly. Outside of today, our O Line looks pretty good. They're young, and they'll only get better. When our WRs are doing their job, and not trying despirately to make plays, they're serviceable at least. Our D Ends are phenomenal. Our D Tackles are serviceable at best. Our LBs are serviceable at best. Our Safeties are both solid. We have one good CB. Am I wrong? This seems like a reasonable account of what is. Looking at these facts, does it seem to anyone that we will be 2 and 14 when the season ends? I think not. Does 2 and 3 mean we won't make the playoffs? I think not. Again, I know we lost, but I say there is no reason to write us off yet. I don't see one here. I guess, I just don't see the argument that "we suck". Sure, "we sucked, today", but that is different from "we suck". Someone please enlighten me as to what it is that they see (that isn't on my list) that I don't, that makes all the difference in conclusion "we suck" versus "we sucked, today".
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

10-09-2005, 09:44 PM	#2
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	RE: Same ol PS - We've finally learned to run the screen pass. That counts as serious improvement in my book.

10-09-2005, 09:48 PM	#3
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	RE: Same ol And Bullocks actualy looked descent... (wish the rest of the team did) TAKE CRAFT TO THE PARKING LOT AND BEAT HIM SILLY! WTF is Fakir?

10-10-2005, 12:22 PM	#8
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Our QB is streaky. Right on here Kool. AB can come out in one game and throw for 300 yards and be tossing lasers all over the field and look like a Pro-Bowl caliber player; and then he can come out the next game and play like he's the quarterback for the Little Giants. Outside of today, our O Line looks pretty good. They're young, and they'll only get better. This might be a little too optimistic for my opinion. They are still one of the most penalized groups in the NFL. They can't run block. Period. They're pass blocking has been good, so maybe that's where you were going with it. Our LBs are serviceable at best. These guys are absolutely awful. None of them have the ability to be game changers. They miss tackles and I still haven't seen them make a big play yet this season. Overall, I think we do suck. However, with a change in the coaching and motivation of this team, I think that this could be a good team. Good analysis Kool
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10-10-2005, 03:08 PM	#9
SaintStoneyMount 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stone Mountain, GA Posts: 448	Kool. This is not news. We have always had the capability to be a better team. But as you said the QB is off and on. We failed to address the LB situation over the offseason and it is killing us. Fakir is a step up above Jason which means he at least will be in the highlight film when he gets burned. And now with Deuce lost for the season, we could very well be doomed...but now (if Haslett wants to keep his job) is the time to rally the troops. Now we get to see if this team has any pride. We need to go out there and kick the snot out of Atlanta for starters and then keep on kicking ass until we get a measure of respect. I hope they do it and if they don't...well that's my Saints ...ya gotta love em.
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10-10-2005, 09:57 AM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Nice optimism Kool, but you forget we didn't just suck today. Minny had no wins, guess who gave them one? Culpepper was leading the league in turnovers, he had 3 TDs no TOs against us. GB has one of the worst defenses in the league, and we managed 3 points. They got 28 off turnovers alone. They were without two pro bowl guards they lost in the off-season, their starting center, and their starting LT was playing on a bum wheel. We got outscored 52-0 after a 3-0 lead, again with 28 points off turnovers. Against the Giants, turnovers and penalties killed us again. So we have the one up emotional game in Carolina, and a win against a horrible JP Losman led Bills offense in which we hit the red zone 5 times and managed 1 TD. Not seeing the cause for optimism. It's not when you lose, it's how you lose that shows the character of a team to me. We may be 2-3, but it easily could be 0-5 had we been consistent in our mistakes, which there were too many of to say we could be 5-0. And this team under Haslett has shown repeatedly they will committ stupid mistakes and make stupid penalties, so it's not like we can look back over any particular stretch in Haslett's regime where this wasn't the case, so what's there for it to change?

10-10-2005, 11:28 AM	#5
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	More later today, but I wanted to say thanks for the thoughtful reply, Whodi. I'll ponder.

10-10-2005, 11:40 AM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	As always Kool, anxiously waiting.

10-10-2005, 12:03 PM	#7
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	WE SUCKED !!!! HORRIBLE !!!

10-10-2005, 07:27 PM	#10
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	I'm hoping for a complete and total freefall to 2-14 and take Matt Leinart first in the draft!