IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL.

Sinner · 11-21-2023, 12:12 AM

There I said it. Let Taysom Hill run the ship for a good minute, and we’ll have some fire at a key position. That frees up AK to be AK, Shaheed to be speed, Olave to play harder, and (I guess) Jimmy Graham to keep resting? The man can throw, and if receivers are covered, the ground fireworks begin! Anyway, we need FIRE on the field… and it AINT coming from our Coaching staff.

What Taysom does is play old school smash mouth football. UTILIZE HIM, and watch it be contagious. I know Taysom will be smiling. So will the fans.

WHODAT!

SmashMouth · 11-21-2023, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

There I said it. Let Taysom Hill run the ship for a good minute, and we’ll have some fire at a key position. That frees up AK to be AK, Shaheed to be speed, Olave to play harder, and (I guess) Jimmy Graham to keep resting? The man can throw, and if receivers are covered, the ground fireworks begin! Anyway, we need FIRE on the field… and it AINT coming from our Coaching staff.

What Taysom does is play old school smash mouth football. UTILIZE HIM, and watch it be contagious. I know Taysom will be smiling. So will the fans.

WHODAT!

Don't disagree... but he wasn't given the chance when given a chance way back when they were trying to decide between Crablegs and Getsom Taysom, way before CD4's entrance into the picture. I think we were all premature as fans, but especially the coaches, in determining whether Getsom could man the position and not be what he is now, a gadget player. He did after all break Steve Young's records at BYU. He just needed a little more time under center, IMHO. It's a shame now... we'll always be wondering how cool it is to see unfold before us the next and maybe the last Frank Gifford.

At some point they'll have to let "Pretty Boy" Haener run the show. Only injuries will let that happen, like what occurred in Frisco with Purdy.

keithday123 · 11-21-2023, 08:31 AM

Coaches today overthink everything. Running is boring, so you throw a pick six at the goal line, see BYU Saturday. Field goals are boring, coaches pass on the regularly for a chance at a touchdown, but it never comes. Sean Payton was smart to keep kicking them Sunday night. That leads me to the point that Taysom is not a normal QB. Weird throwing angle, arm not very strong, maybe not the best at reading defenses, but he does something that should be the deciding variable, HE WINS!!!! Coaches look deep for answers when sometimes the answer is in the shallow end. I agree with you both and have been saying it since Brees retired, Let Taysom be Taysom and start him at QB. What’s the worse that could happen? We go .500. Lol

AsylumGuido · 11-21-2023, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Don't disagree... but he wasn't given the chance when given a chance way back when they were trying to decide between Crablegs and Getsom Taysom, way before CD4's entrance into the picture. I think we were all premature as fans, but especially the coaches, in determining whether Getsom could man the position and not be what he is now, a gadget player. He did after all break Steve Young's records at BYU. He just needed a little more time under center, IMHO. It's a shame now... we'll always be wondering how cool it is to see unfold before us the next and maybe the last Frank Gifford.

At some point they'll have to let "Pretty Boy" Haener run the show. Only injuries will let that happen, like what occurred in Frisco with Purdy.

Actually, he didn't break any of Youngs records. I've heard people claim that before, but it's very false. Steve Young isn't even close to any of the records at BYU. Taysom isn't in the top 10 in any of the passing lists there. Ty Detmer and Jim McMahon hold most all the records. Even Jets "bust" Zach Wilson finished ahead of Taysom in all of the passing categories.

Hill is in the top 10 in rushing yards for career and a single season, however. And he did finish in the top 10 in total offense ahead of Steve Young helped out with his rushing numbers

BYU Records

Taysom Hill's BYU Stats

MatthewT · 11-21-2023, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Don't disagree... but he wasn't given the chance when given a chance way back when they were trying to decide between Crablegs and Getsom Taysom, way before CD4's entrance into the picture. I think we were all premature as fans, but especially the coaches, in determining whether Getsom could man the position and not be what he is now, a gadget player. He did after all break Steve Young's records at BYU. He just needed a little more time under center, IMHO. It's a shame now... we'll always be wondering how cool it is to see unfold before us the next and maybe the last Frank Gifford.

At some point they'll have to let "Pretty Boy" Haener run the show. Only injuries will let that happen, like what occurred in Frisco with Purdy.

The QB competition between Winston and Hill in 2021 was very fair and Winston deserved the starting job. Hill did get his opportunity after the Winston injury, but Hill's own injury problems didn't help his cause for being considered a starting QB for future seasons.

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/...som-hill/10193

Fast forward to today, Winston clearly beat Haener for the number 2 job, but with that said if Winston continues to struggle in the number 2 roll, then a switch to Haener for the number 2 job needs to happen.

Back to Hill, considering his age, in the near future I do see the possibility of him being a true number 2 QB and removed from most of the gadget duties.

K Major · 11-21-2023, 12:06 PM

When you have a substitute teacher calling plays ...

Far too many games when in crunch, your play maker/game changer/spark isn't even in the game.

And you wonder why you are sitting at 5-5 in late November.

iceshack149 · 11-21-2023, 12:39 PM

Disagree bigly! Leave Taysom at his Swiss-Army knife position--just use him more. A lot more!

Sinner · 11-21-2023, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Disagree bigly! Leave Taysom at his Swiss-Army knife position--just use him more. A lot more!

You are free to disagree, but our current coaching staff doesn’t know how to open a Swiss Army knife without cutting themselves. So it’s time to play some sandlot football. At least the fans will have fun.

AsylumGuido · 11-21-2023, 01:13 PM

I heard the reasoning behind using Taysom in his regular role less when Carr went down is because of two factors;

1) The plays designed for him were designed to be executed with Carr in the game, not Winston. There are only limited snaps in practice and it is doubtful all plays designed for Carr/Hill would have also be practiced with Winston/Hill.

2) When Carr went out and Winston came in as the new #1 then Hill became the immediate backup. I've heard the conventional wisdom would be to avoid injury to your last option at QB.

If Carr was out this coming game Haener would certainly be activated and likely moved to backup opening Hill back up to his previous role having plays designed with Winston being practiced during the week.

Sinner · 11-21-2023, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I heard the reasoning behind using Taysom in his regular role less when Carr went down is because of two factors;

1) The plays designed for him were designed to be executed with Carr in the game, not Winston. There are only limited snaps in practice and it is doubtful all plays designed for Carr/Hill would have also be practiced with Winston/Hill.

2) When Carr went out and Winston came in as the new #1 then Hill became the immediate backup. I've heard the conventional wisdom would be to avoid injury to your last option at QB.

If Carr was out this coming game Haener would certainly be activated and likely moved to backup opening Hill back up to his previous role having plays designed with Winston being practiced during the week.

Yawn… as usual.

11-21-2023, 12:12 AM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,874	IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL. There I said it. Let Taysom Hill run the ship for a good minute, and we’ll have some fire at a key position. That frees up AK to be AK, Shaheed to be speed, Olave to play harder, and (I guess) Jimmy Graham to keep resting? The man can throw, and if receivers are covered, the ground fireworks begin! Anyway, we need FIRE on the field… and it AINT coming from our Coaching staff. What Taysom does is play old school smash mouth football. UTILIZE HIM, and watch it be contagious. I know Taysom will be smiling. So will the fans. WHODAT! jnormand, Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL. Originally Posted by Sinner There I said it. Let Taysom Hill run the ship for a good minute, and we’ll have some fire at a key position. That frees up AK to be AK, Shaheed to be speed, Olave to play harder, and (I guess) Jimmy Graham to keep resting? The man can throw, and if receivers are covered, the ground fireworks begin! Anyway, we need FIRE on the field… and it AINT coming from our Coaching staff. What Taysom does is play old school smash mouth football. UTILIZE HIM, and watch it be contagious. I know Taysom will be smiling. So will the fans. WHODAT! Don't disagree... but he wasn't given the chance when given a chance way back when they were trying to decide between Crablegs and Getsom Taysom, way before CD4's entrance into the picture. I think we were all premature as fans, but especially the coaches, in determining whether Getsom could man the position and not be what he is now, a gadget player. He did after all break Steve Young's records at BYU. He just needed a little more time under center, IMHO. It's a shame now... we'll always be wondering how cool it is to see unfold before us the next and maybe the last Frank Gifford. At some point they'll have to let "Pretty Boy" Haener run the show. Only injuries will let that happen, like what occurred in Frisco with Purdy. Sinner likes this.

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keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 183	Re: IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL. Coaches today overthink everything. Running is boring, so you throw a pick six at the goal line, see BYU Saturday. Field goals are boring, coaches pass on the regularly for a chance at a touchdown, but it never comes. Sean Payton was smart to keep kicking them Sunday night. That leads me to the point that Taysom is not a normal QB. Weird throwing angle, arm not very strong, maybe not the best at reading defenses, but he does something that should be the deciding variable, HE WINS!!!! Coaches look deep for answers when sometimes the answer is in the shallow end. I agree with you both and have been saying it since Brees retired, Let Taysom be Taysom and start him at QB. What’s the worse that could happen? We go .500. Lol SmashMouth, Sinner and Thirty3 like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL. Originally Posted by SmashMouth Don't disagree... but he wasn't given the chance when given a chance way back when they were trying to decide between Crablegs and Getsom Taysom, way before CD4's entrance into the picture. I think we were all premature as fans, but especially the coaches, in determining whether Getsom could man the position and not be what he is now, a gadget player. He did after all break Steve Young's records at BYU. He just needed a little more time under center, IMHO. It's a shame now... we'll always be wondering how cool it is to see unfold before us the next and maybe the last Frank Gifford. At some point they'll have to let "Pretty Boy" Haener run the show. Only injuries will let that happen, like what occurred in Frisco with Purdy. Actually, he didn't break any of Youngs records. I've heard people claim that before, but it's very false. Steve Young isn't even close to any of the records at BYU. Taysom isn't in the top 10 in any of the passing lists there. Ty Detmer and Jim McMahon hold most all the records. Even Jets "bust" Zach Wilson finished ahead of Taysom in all of the passing categories. Hill is in the top 10 in rushing yards for career and a single season, however. And he did finish in the top 10 in total offense ahead of Steve Young helped out with his rushing numbers BYU Records Taysom Hill's BYU Stats
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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL. Originally Posted by SmashMouth Don't disagree... but he wasn't given the chance when given a chance way back when they were trying to decide between Crablegs and Getsom Taysom, way before CD4's entrance into the picture. I think we were all premature as fans, but especially the coaches, in determining whether Getsom could man the position and not be what he is now, a gadget player. He did after all break Steve Young's records at BYU. He just needed a little more time under center, IMHO. It's a shame now... we'll always be wondering how cool it is to see unfold before us the next and maybe the last Frank Gifford. At some point they'll have to let "Pretty Boy" Haener run the show. Only injuries will let that happen, like what occurred in Frisco with Purdy. The QB competition between Winston and Hill in 2021 was very fair and Winston deserved the starting job. Hill did get his opportunity after the Winston injury, but Hill's own injury problems didn't help his cause for being considered a starting QB for future seasons. https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/...som-hill/10193 Fast forward to today, Winston clearly beat Haener for the number 2 job, but with that said if Winston continues to struggle in the number 2 roll, then a switch to Haener for the number 2 job needs to happen. Back to Hill, considering his age, in the near future I do see the possibility of him being a true number 2 QB and removed from most of the gadget duties.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,874	Re: IT’S EARLY IN THE WEEK, AND I’M GONNA SAY IT… TAYSOM HILL. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I heard the reasoning behind using Taysom in his regular role less when Carr went down is because of two factors; 1) The plays designed for him were designed to be executed with Carr in the game, not Winston. There are only limited snaps in practice and it is doubtful all plays designed for Carr/Hill would have also be practiced with Winston/Hill. 2) When Carr went out and Winston came in as the new #1 then Hill became the immediate backup. I've heard the conventional wisdom would be to avoid injury to your last option at QB. If Carr was out this coming game Haener would certainly be activated and likely moved to backup opening Hill back up to his previous role having plays designed with Winston being practiced during the week. Yawn… as usual. K Major likes this.
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