OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE FALCONS…

Sinner · 11-29-2023, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I disagree that money is the only way to influence management and as long as the checks keep coming they will feel unaffected. Because the way revenue is shared, even if the dome is empty, or filled with visiting fans, they will still get 95% of the revenue they ever got so if it was that way, nothing would ever matter. Plus the revenue goes up every year so even in an off year it would just go up less.

I think another powerful factor is a sense of social status to which most people are always striving for what someone else a little better off has and pitying what someone a little below their status has. The more the team loses, the more the glory of the past fades, the more the Superdome on Sunday is not a place to see and be seen, the more the social status of Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauska or whatever it is, etc will slip. They probably deeply value being the toast of town and guests of honor at every gala and swaree they attend, and a lot of that is because of the Saints status. Sure, the charities they write checks to will fawn over them even if the team is 0-17, but the other guests at the gala will start to lose interest and give them the cold shoulder if the team they preside over becomes an embarrassment not a point of pride to the city. And even the charities may start to act different. No matter how rich you are, you can't write a mind blowing check to everyones. So the charities she does not write a mind blowing check to may still fawn over her because even a more modest donation will help them raise other funds if she or team personnel are guests of honor at fundraising events. But that stops working if the team is a loser and doesn't draw at fundraising events, suddenly she is just another name unless she writes everyone the mind blowing check. She will probably notice that, as will top front office execs. Their social status will slip, and they probably won't like that. It is my hope that eventually Gayle Benson will try to find somebody to fix this, just to get that sort of stuff back again.

It’s a matter of personal dignity. As a long time Fan, do I want to buy merch this year, and walk into a refurbished stadium to get sh*t on by my team? Boycotting sends a personal message, and an empty stadium gets broadcasted to the world. That message is bad for business, and that’s what this is, bad business. A team is first and foremost in the business of WINNING CONSISTENTLY and satisfying the customers (Fans). We have to express customer dissatisfaction.

BakoSaint · 11-29-2023, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

It’s a matter of personal dignity. As a long time Fan, do I want to buy merch this year, and walk into a refurbished stadium to get sh*t on by my team? Boycotting sends a personal message, and an empty stadium gets broadcasted to the world. That message is bad for business, and that’s what this is, bad business. A team is first and foremost in the business of WINNING CONSISTENTLY and satisfying the customers (Fans). We have to express customer dissatisfaction.

Yes I totally agree. And I think what you are doing sends a message. But I think ultimately the most effective way to send a message to most owners is social not financial. Your boycott also has a social effect. The less people wearing Saints gear and the less rocking the dome is with excited fans, the less social status there is in being an owner or executive of the team. When the team is winning, the dome is rocking, and half the city is wearing Saints gear, they are treated like royalty. When the team is losing and fans are checking out, they might as well be heirs or executive to the Entergy fortune. Yes, they still have money, but they are not loved. So everything you do contributes to those social consequences as well, even if the financial consequences are limited.

Probably the biggest financial consequence is that IF an owner wanted to sell a team, a team with a massive winning record might fetch slightly more, like the Patriots vs the Bears, after accounting for all other market differences. The Rams would surely be worth a little more if they won like the Lakers. A dynasty could be worth $1 billion or more to the Clippers, who trail the Lakers by $2.2 billion in value, which probably has a lot to do with their lack of brand value due to their lack of winning, in addition to lack of real estate that likely plays a role as well. But, in our market that might be offset by losing actually making it easier to potentially move the team to a bigger market, though we all hope thats very unlikely to happen. So overall, the main consequences of losing for an owner are diminished social status in their community, which I think would bother Gayle.

I don't think Gayle is the worst kind of owner, because I think this social status will matter to her. There are owners like Daniel Snyder who have giant egos where they want to pull every string, but are horrible at making the key decisions they insist on making, and being the shot caller is more important to them than anything, even their social reputation, or is part of a different social reputation where being seen as a strong boss is more important to them than being liked or respected. That type of owner would not respond even when the guest of honor invitations at the swarees stop coming in the mail, so my hope is that Gayle is not like Daniel Snyder and will right the ship when that starts happening.

11-29-2023, 10:31 AM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE FALCONS… Originally Posted by BakoSaint I disagree that money is the only way to influence management and as long as the checks keep coming they will feel unaffected. Because the way revenue is shared, even if the dome is empty, or filled with visiting fans, they will still get 95% of the revenue they ever got so if it was that way, nothing would ever matter. Plus the revenue goes up every year so even in an off year it would just go up less. I think another powerful factor is a sense of social status to which most people are always striving for what someone else a little better off has and pitying what someone a little below their status has. The more the team loses, the more the glory of the past fades, the more the Superdome on Sunday is not a place to see and be seen, the more the social status of Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauska or whatever it is, etc will slip. They probably deeply value being the toast of town and guests of honor at every gala and swaree they attend, and a lot of that is because of the Saints status. Sure, the charities they write checks to will fawn over them even if the team is 0-17, but the other guests at the gala will start to lose interest and give them the cold shoulder if the team they preside over becomes an embarrassment not a point of pride to the city. And even the charities may start to act different. No matter how rich you are, you can't write a mind blowing check to everyones. So the charities she does not write a mind blowing check to may still fawn over her because even a more modest donation will help them raise other funds if she or team personnel are guests of honor at fundraising events. But that stops working if the team is a loser and doesn't draw at fundraising events, suddenly she is just another name unless she writes everyone the mind blowing check. She will probably notice that, as will top front office execs. Their social status will slip, and they probably won't like that. It is my hope that eventually Gayle Benson will try to find somebody to fix this, just to get that sort of stuff back again. It’s a matter of personal dignity. As a long time Fan, do I want to buy merch this year, and walk into a refurbished stadium to get sh*t on by my team? Boycotting sends a personal message, and an empty stadium gets broadcasted to the world. That message is bad for business, and that’s what this is, bad business. A team is first and foremost in the business of WINNING CONSISTENTLY and satisfying the customers (Fans). We have to express customer dissatisfaction. K Major likes this.
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11-29-2023, 12:53 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE FALCONS… Originally Posted by Sinner It’s a matter of personal dignity. As a long time Fan, do I want to buy merch this year, and walk into a refurbished stadium to get sh*t on by my team? Boycotting sends a personal message, and an empty stadium gets broadcasted to the world. That message is bad for business, and that’s what this is, bad business. A team is first and foremost in the business of WINNING CONSISTENTLY and satisfying the customers (Fans). We have to express customer dissatisfaction. Yes I totally agree. And I think what you are doing sends a message. But I think ultimately the most effective way to send a message to most owners is social not financial. Your boycott also has a social effect. The less people wearing Saints gear and the less rocking the dome is with excited fans, the less social status there is in being an owner or executive of the team. When the team is winning, the dome is rocking, and half the city is wearing Saints gear, they are treated like royalty. When the team is losing and fans are checking out, they might as well be heirs or executive to the Entergy fortune. Yes, they still have money, but they are not loved. So everything you do contributes to those social consequences as well, even if the financial consequences are limited. Probably the biggest financial consequence is that IF an owner wanted to sell a team, a team with a massive winning record might fetch slightly more, like the Patriots vs the Bears, after accounting for all other market differences. The Rams would surely be worth a little more if they won like the Lakers. A dynasty could be worth $1 billion or more to the Clippers, who trail the Lakers by $2.2 billion in value, which probably has a lot to do with their lack of brand value due to their lack of winning, in addition to lack of real estate that likely plays a role as well. But, in our market that might be offset by losing actually making it easier to potentially move the team to a bigger market, though we all hope thats very unlikely to happen. So overall, the main consequences of losing for an owner are diminished social status in their community, which I think would bother Gayle. I don't think Gayle is the worst kind of owner, because I think this social status will matter to her. There are owners like Daniel Snyder who have giant egos where they want to pull every string, but are horrible at making the key decisions they insist on making, and being the shot caller is more important to them than anything, even their social reputation, or is part of a different social reputation where being seen as a strong boss is more important to them than being liked or respected. That type of owner would not respond even when the guest of honor invitations at the swarees stop coming in the mail, so my hope is that Gayle is not like Daniel Snyder and will right the ship when that starts happening.
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