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Sinner 11-26-2023 02:54 PM

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We suck. PERIOD.

jnormand 11-26-2023 02:58 PM

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Out of five Redzone appearances, no touchdowns. I didn’t have any confidence going into this game, and this is exactly why. But hey, our quarterback got 300 yards passing. So he can blame it on everyone else for the loss. This team is trash. Lol.

Danno 11-26-2023 02:59 PM

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We're soft

jnormand 11-26-2023 03:00 PM

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Maybe with this loss, Pete Carmichael will get fired. Lol. Yeah right.

UK_WhoDat 11-26-2023 03:02 PM

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Same old, same old.

Waiting on some miracle. It didn't occur.

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 986684)
Maybe with this loss, Pete Carmichael will get fired. Lol. Yeah right.

We need a new GM, possibly a new Owner.

K Major 11-26-2023 03:03 PM

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It’s time to make changes from the top on down.

This team is bad.

No need to “run this back” with Allen. His record is who he is.

His defense is over rated as well. Make changes.

iceshack149 11-26-2023 03:03 PM

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Dennis Allen.https://i.imgflip.com/3dcqb3.gif

iceshack149 11-26-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 986690)
We need a new GM, possibly a new Owner.

Bring on the Mannings!

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 986689)
Same old, same old.

Waiting on some miracle. It didn't occur.

The days of Miracles (and good football) are well behind us. And the near future is looking bleak. Go ahead and call me chicken little, but the sky done fell.

voodooido 11-26-2023 03:05 PM

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Still in shock we just lost to ridder. I’m all in for the coaching change. He’s had enough time to make adjustments and fire the OC

NOLA54 11-26-2023 03:07 PM

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If I were Loomis I'd be in the locker room telling Allen and Carmichael to find their own way back to NOLA and pack your bags and don't come back.

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 986696)
Still in shock we just lost to ridder. I’m all in for the coaching change. He’s had enough time to make adjustments and fire the OC

What you’re all in for is more of the same (and worse) for at least the rest of this season.

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 986698)
If I were Loomis I'd be in the locker room telling Allen and Carmichael to find their own way back to NOLA and pack your bags and don't come back.

If you were Loomis, you’d be on the same bus as them.

neugey 11-26-2023 03:13 PM

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The Good:
- more crossing routes and motion called by Pete and the reverse/sweep calls were solid
- Bresee and the big guys in the middle getting deflections and being disruptive
- Taysom Hill being better as a receiver than I could ever have thought
- OL pass protection (though maybe because the Falcons pass rush was anemic)

The Bad:
- Carr outplayed by Ridder and Carr's INT was worse than Ridder's two. At least one of Ridder's INT's was more due to trash playing calling.
- getting everyone and their brother hurt right AFTER the bye week
- 1st and 10 and run to daylight up the middle for Kamara or Hill is NOT a professional playcall
- Werner sucked vs the run, can't/won't hold the edge
- DA's timeouts and game management were horrible. We basically gift wrapped the Falcons another TD before the half and were lucky with the red zone that bailed us out.
- Honey Badger's INT's aside (two pretty easy ones) he and Maye continue to get exposed.

The Really Bad:
- Should have kept Shaheed out of the game once he was limping around. Instead he went back in and made it worse. Got a sinking feeling he'll by on IR to due to our in-game stupidity.
- Carr throwing behind his receivers getting guys hurt and killing all YAC chances.

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 986701)
The Good:
- more crossing routes and motion called by Pete and the reverse/sweep calls were solid
- Bresee and the big guys in the middle getting deflections and being disruptive
- Taysom Hill being better as a receiver than I could ever have thought
- OL pass protection (though maybe because the Falcons pass rush was anemic)

The Bad:
- Carr outplayed by Ridder and Carr's INT was worse than Ridder's two. At least one of Ridder's INT's was more due to trash playing calling.
- getting everyone and their brother hurt right AFTER the bye week
- 1st and 10 and run to daylight up the middle for Kamara or Hill is NOT a professional playcall
- Werner sucked vs the run, can't/won't hold the edge
- DA's timeouts and game management were horrible. We basically gift wrapped the Falcons another TD before the half and were lucky with the red zone that bailed us out.
- Honey Badger's INT's aside (two pretty easy ones) he and Maye continue to get exposed.

The Really Bad:
- Should have kept Shaheed out of the game once he was limping around. Instead he went back in and made it worse. Got a sinking feeling he'll by on IR to due to our in-game stupidity.
- Carr throwing behind his receivers getting guys hurt and killing all YAC chances.


The Truth: WE SUCK.

K Major 11-26-2023 03:18 PM

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Zero sacks.

You’re right Sinner, this team sucks.

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 03:21 PM

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With the all the advances in technology, maybe the we should set a new standard for a QB to return from concussion protocol. Instead of counting how many fingers you are holding up, they should have to put on one of those facebook meta headsets, watch a play from a QB perspective, and identify which receivers are open within 4 seconds. Based on this cognitive tests, Carr's concussion would be career ending and perhaps we could collect some insurance. Besides, its not really safe for a QB to return from concussion in the NFL if they can't do this, it puts them in danger of reinjury.

Carr's cognitive injuries and decline make playing football at NFL level dangerous not just for him but for all the players around him. His bad throws to spots where the receiver is not open caused injuries to our receivers today and caused one his own concussion. His slow and atrophied decision making caused injuries to our offensive line by asking them to hold their blocks longer than the plays are designed to allow. Carr is a danger to himself and others on the football field.

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 986706)
With the all the advances in technology, maybe the we should set a new standard for a QB to return from concussion protocol. Instead of counting how many fingers you are holding up, they should have to put on one of those facebook meta headsets, watch a play from a QB perspective, and identify which receivers are open within 4 seconds. Based on this cognitive tests, Carr's concussion would be career ending and perhaps we could collect some insurance. Besides, its not really safe for a QB to return from concussion in the NFL if they can't do this, it puts them in danger of reinjury.

That. And we need a new Head Coach.

jnormand 11-26-2023 03:24 PM

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At least it will be a quiet week from AG. Lol. Even he can’t sugarcoat this turd sandwich.

Sinner 11-26-2023 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 986708)
At least it will be a quiet week from AG. Lol. Even he can’t sugarcoat this turd sandwich.

Watch…

K Major 11-26-2023 03:31 PM

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I think it was Dizz who mentioned it during the game day thread
but I’ll be curious to see that film study on Derek Carr.

All those throws BEHIND his WRs, horrible reads (pick 6) guys having to contort their bodies catching his hospital passes.

Carr is looking like an expensive mistake at QB.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Winston vs Detroit. At least he can score in
the redzone. We need a spark.

Mediocrity isn’t gonna work in the NFL.

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 986708)
At least it will be a quiet week from AG. Lol. Even he can’t sugarcoat this turd sandwich.

I am sure AG will point out that we are still tied for 1st place in our division and that all division games are tough so we have a very hard schedule because we are in the unique position of playing 6 division games this season. He will also say that all injuries are random and you can't get your receivers injured by throwing behind them, get your oline injured by holding the ball 6 seconds, or get your secondary injured by giving the opposing QB all day to throw with 0 sacks.

I will continue to reiterate that we should have gone with a bargain option at QB who could have been as good or better than Carr for a lot less money such as Mayfield, Minshew, Huntley, Love, etc. Mickey Loomis should have taken a lesson from his, DA's, and PC's mothers. Sometimes you can get what you want for a lot less than you think it will cost if you are willing to compromise a little on the aesthetics.

keithday123 11-26-2023 03:38 PM

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The NFC South was setup for us to rebuild and still compete, but Loomis decided to run it back with Allen and spend money on an average QB. Now we are another year behind and not getting any younger. I’m never a fan of losing and want a playoff appearance even if it means one and done, but reality is even if we were to sneak in it would only buy DA another year and I can’t sit through another year of this. Has to be the most poorly coached team in the league bar none.

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by keithday123 (Post 986713)
The NFC South was setup for us to rebuild and still compete, but Loomis decided to run it back with Allen and spend money on an average QB. Now we are another year behind and not getting any younger. I’m never a fan of losing and want a playoff appearance even if it means one and done, but reality is even if we were to sneak in it would only buy DA another year and I can’t sit through another year of this. Has to be the most poorly coached team in the league bar none.

Yeah thats the thing. AG said he is too old and can't live through a rebuild and wants to win now because its a unique time in the Saints history having some aging fans. So the Falcons and Bucs rebuild and move on from aging players like Ryan, J Jones, D Jones, Brady, Gronk, Fournette, etc, and we spend big and trade up, and they both beat us, and we are in a dead heat competing in the division. The truth is that if your team is mediocre, rebuilding with a youth movement often leaves you just as competitive now with a lot more hope for the future.

SaintFanQ 11-26-2023 04:01 PM

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Not sure where to start after that performance!
There are so many things wrong with this team at the moment its hard to know where to begin!
In fairness to the defence, they did their best I think but the years are starting to catch up with them now, especially against young mobile QB's
Now we look to have a huge injury issue to deal with as well.
Not going to mention the coaching as everyone has covered that subject over and over already.
Also, to rub salt into the wound, we have the Lions next week! Good grief!
I'll always be a die hard Saints fan, thats for sure but they really do test their fan base to the extreme! Oh well, Iv'e said my bit! GEAUX SAINTS! WHO DAT! :-) :-)

neugey 11-26-2023 04:28 PM

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Unlike Dennis and Mickey, at least I can I'm building a successful pro football program. Someone's gotta pick up the slack for the Saints.

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 986718)
Unlike Dennis and Mickey, at least I can I'm building a successful pro football program. Someone's gotta pick up the slack for the Saints.

Yes but did your team come in first place at Matlock Trivia Night at the Elks Club? Don't talk any **** on ML, DA, and PC if it didn't. They are out there every day working singularly toward that goal while you worry about some silly ball game.

neugey 11-26-2023 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 986719)
Yes but did your team come in first place at Matlock Trivia Night at the Elks Club? Don't talk any **** on ML, DA, and PC if it didn't. They are out there every day working singularly toward that goal while you worry about some silly ball game.


I think you're not giving our coaching staff enough credit. I've heard they now moved onto Everybody Loves Raymond trivia.

MatthewT 11-26-2023 05:03 PM

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Carr needs to be benched and deactivated for his remaining time in a Saints uniform. Loomis needs to take the fall for this mistake and the new GM can start the rebuilding process by hiring a completely new coaching staff.

dizzle88 11-26-2023 05:10 PM

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Kamara said in post game presser "instead of saying we need to be better after every loss, we need to actually find a fix and play better"

Sounds like a shot at DA's auto-response to me.

If no one gets fired after this game, I will have lost a lot of respect for the management of this team.

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 986722)
Kamara said in post game presser "instead of saying we need to be better after every loss, we need to actually find a fix and play better"

Sounds like a shot at DA's auto-response to me.

If no one gets fired after this game, I will have lost a lot of respect for the management of this team.

Well have no doubt, if the answer is on an episode of Matlock, or everybody loves raymond, or in a can of Old Milwaukee, or at the bottom of a bottom of Seagrams VO, or on the earlybird dinner menu at Denny's, our coaches and management will leave no stone unturned to find it.

Sinner 11-26-2023 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 986722)
Kamara said in post game presser "instead of saying we need to be better after every loss, we need to actually find a fix and play better"

Sounds like a shot at DA's auto-response to me.

If no one gets fired after this game, I will have lost a lot of respect for the management of this team.

DA has lost the locker room, or he never actually had it to begin with. But he’ll be here next week, and probably next season at least. He’s losing the fans for sure, unless they’re Guidos.

rezburna 11-26-2023 05:18 PM

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1. Fire Dennis Allen
2. Hire Ben Johnson | Jim Harbaugh | Eric Bieniemy | or Brian Flores
3. Allow them to rebuild the coaching staff.
4. Cut Carr and take whatever penalty that occurs.
5. Retain Winston as a placeholder.
6. Put all available resources into offensive and defensive line.
7. Draft Jayden Daniels | Michael Penix | or Drake Maye.
8. Pray for a quick turnaround.

Sinner 11-26-2023 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 986725)
1. Fire Dennis Allen
2. Hire Ben Johnson | Jim Harbaugh | Eric Bieniemy | or Brian Flores
3. Allow them to rebuild the coaching staff.
4. Cut Carr and take whatever penalty that occurs.
5. Retain Winston as a placeholder.
6. Put all available resources into offensive and defensive line.
7. Draft Jayden Daniels | Michael Penix | or Drake Maye.
8. Pray for a quick turnaround.

Even if the turnaround isn’t quick, just to see it start turning would make all the difference in the world.

Sinner 11-26-2023 05:23 PM

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What we just endured today was BRUTAL. ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL.

K Major 11-26-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 986722)
Kamara said in post game presser "instead of saying we need to be better after every loss, we need to actually find a fix and play better"

Sounds like a shot at DA's auto-response to me.

If no one gets fired after this game, I will have lost a lot of respect for the management of this team.

Yep. DA, Pete & Derek Carr need to be called out.
Allen is destroying this franchise.

Side note - AK is getting close to that “30” year old mark. See what offers you could get in a trade. Let him explore the options on playing for a contender.

It sure as hell won’t happen in New Orleans. No time soon.

neugey 11-26-2023 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 986728)
Yep. DA, Pete & Derek Carr need to be called out.
Allen is destroying this franchise.

Side note - AK is getting close to that “30” year old mark. See what offers you could get in a trade. Let him explore the options on playing for a contender.

It sure as hell won’t happen in New Orleans. No time soon.


Knowing Loomis, if we tried to trade Kamara it would cause about $999,999,999,999,999,999.99 in dead money

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 05:43 PM

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We don’t know Dennis Allen’s exact contract. What if it follows our model of copying everything the Raiders do and the deal is 10 years $100 million?

BakoSaint 11-26-2023 06:14 PM

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The Rams just went to 5-6. They did a big rebuild this offseason moving on from many expensive vets like Bobby Wagner, Jalen Ramsey, and Allen Robinson. Yet here they are with the same record as us in a tougher division.


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