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Dennis Allen 13 41.94%
Pete Carmichael 10 32.26%
Derek Carr 0 0%
Mickey Loomis 6 19.35%
Nobody, we could still win it all! 2 6.45%
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Poll: If you could fire one today?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; If you could fire one of the above today and you had to give the rest a legit shot for the remainder of the year to turn things around, who would you fire: Dennis Allen, Derek Carr, Pete Carmichael, or ...

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Old 11-29-2023, 10:39 AM   #1
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Poll: If you could fire one today?

If you could fire one of the above today and you had to give the rest a legit shot for the remainder of the year to turn things around, who would you fire: Dennis Allen, Derek Carr, Pete Carmichael, or Mickey Loomis?

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Old 11-29-2023, 10:41 AM   #2
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

I have a feeling that a lot of people would fire Dennis Allen. My answer though would be Mickey Loomis because I believe the problems come from the top first. Loomis hired Allen, went all in on Carr, made various disaster draft trades, went all in to get DeShawn Watson before Carr, kept Pete Carmichael this offseason even when he knew Pete has been trying to retire, maxxed out our cap year after year, and refused to rebuild. I think Mickey Loomis should go first, in-season, because I don't want him have any influence over who replaces anybody else.

I also think its at least possible that Allen, Carmichael, and Carr could have more success under a different GM. Some workers are only motivated if their boss above them exerts some amount of pressure and expectations and asks specific questions about their goals and deadlines. If their boss is their friendliest excuse brainstorming partner ever who just offers them more accomodations the more they fall behind, they coast and go out to lunch. Loomis is that boss, and that cascades downward in the organization. It's possible Allen and Carr would demand specific answers and take accountability if that was modeled from above. Its possible Payton was self motivated and that all came down from him all these years while Mickey Loomis had a beer with Jimmy Buffet and said if we lose, oh well, its not our fault, lets hit the beach, and only Payton's inherent self motivation kept us above water with a front office ready to accept any excuse to go home early and pop a cold one once Tom Benson was out of the picture.

I also think firing the GM would have the benefit of not having to change the system mid season. We could have the same system, except with someone at the top demanding specific fixes not meaningless platitudes, and that attitude being projected down on everyone.
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Old 11-29-2023, 10:52 AM   #3
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

I would vote for DA but I completely agree with your assessment about Loomis. However, my fear is that Benson would never fire him because that would put too much football pressure on her to find a new GM. I would imagine Loomis is here until a sell goes through or he will be responsible for hiring next GM. I’m not in Nola so don’t know all the in’s and out’s of who could fire Loomis other than Benson. Are you guys aware of who that might be?
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Old 11-29-2023, 10:56 AM   #4
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

Put a paper bag over the Dome this weekend.
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:01 AM   #5
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

Because of the way the question was worded with "the rest of the season to turn it around", I voted DA.

But if it said I could fire one to get the franchise moving in the right direction, then it's Mickey.
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:20 AM   #6
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

So, who would be the heir apparent for the remainder of the season if you fire DA? (Hint: it's usually one of the coordinators.)

I trust DA's defensive calls more than the offensive calls being made by PC. That ain't saying much!
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:40 AM   #7
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

I voted Loomis. Get a GM that has a hate for losing and has balls to make necessary moves to build a winning organization. Everything else will fall into place
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Old 11-29-2023, 12:21 PM   #8
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Pete.
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Old 11-29-2023, 02:43 PM   #9
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

Start with Loomis because he just said he has the right people.
Which means he's not going to do what needs to be done.
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Old 11-29-2023, 04:00 PM   #10
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Re: Poll: If you could fire one today?

So most voted for Pete C. The guy who didn't even want the job but the substitute teacher hired him anyway.

Shocking.
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