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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I've been trying to figure out why the current mismanagement by Loomis is ticking me off so much and getting under my skin. It didn't used to grind my gears like this. This is a franchise that has done many ...

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Old 12-01-2023, 01:31 PM   #1
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Why does it bother me(us) more?

I've been trying to figure out why the current mismanagement by Loomis is ticking me off so much and getting under my skin. It didn't used to grind my gears like this.



This is a franchise that has done many hundreds of mind-boggling things in its history (some even during the Brees/Payton era). I got hooked on the Saints during the Dome Patrol era - and believe we did more than our share of stupid s**t back then. Seeing our kicker be the only offensive threat on our team shouldn't feel so bad to Saints fans, right, as that was the peak Morten Andersen existence?


Letting Wesley Walls go to Carolina in expansion was crazy.
Letting LaRoi Glover get away was nuts.
We were in position to draft Eddie George and Warrick Dunn before the infamous Ricky Williams overpay.
Probably so much other stupid s**t we did. I could probably spend the whole day researching just the early 90's onward.


But the current day fiasco seems so much worse. Yesterday's fun has become today's frustration. Why?


- Is it because in prior days there was less parity and a bigger talent divide in the NFL and it was a harder climb to build a winner to compete with the likes of San Francisco and Dallas in the NFC, hence less hope to be had?


- Is it because I'm older and I've seen more of the world and have more context on how businesses (inside and outside of sports) fail/lose?



- Is it because I feel the organization is trapped because of the dead money contracts that are unmovable and that we have reached historic levels of roster inflexibility in NFL history if not all of sports?


- Is it because our roster is the oldest in the NFL whilst the college game is flourishing and the NFL is becoming more of a younger player's league than it was before?


- Is it because the Internet and social media gives us more opportunity to validate our frustration with our fellow fans?


- Is it because I've been a fan for longer and I have more emotional capital invested?


- It is because Mickey has seemingly lost all sense of discipline, clearly betting against himself in free agency with Carr and to an extent Jamaal Williams, and even moreso in the draft with Penning, a player who should have been a late day 2/day 3 project?



- Is it because we've completely undercut the culture of blue-collar meritocracy that Payton established with players like Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore and Scott Shanle?


- Is it because Mickey is living off his past laurels and trying to use the sentiment of fans as a weapon against us? Having Jimmy Graham on the team, the one player who was the greatest development story of Payton's whole career, on the roster to do nothing for us rather than just retire?


Which aspects (or others) have you totally fed up? Talk me off the ledge here.
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Old 12-01-2023, 01:47 PM   #2
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I just watched highlights from the 1st starting game of (the most maligned) Aaron Brooks, and the subsequent flattening of “the greatest show on turf”.

What a game…

What I would give to see that lineup this Sunday.
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Old 12-01-2023, 02:24 PM   #3
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What bothers me the most is that we continue to trot out a bad product every single week without a plan of action. Saints looked absolutely terrible coming off the bye. Poor preparation - that's a coaching issue.

Same excuses, sames post game responses with 0 resolution or accountability from the substitute teacher on down.

Derek Carr is quickly becoming my most unlikeable person on this team. He's arrogant, refuses to take on any responsibility & gives very bizarre answers to simple questions from local media (Nick, Mike and DeShazier).

I don't care how much they are paying him, if he's not getting the job done he needs to take a seat. Between his attitude and performance, I'd bench him if he sucks it up against Detroit on Sunday.

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Old 12-01-2023, 02:40 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by K Major View Post
What bothers me the most is that we continue to trot out a bad product every single week without a plan of action. Saints looked absolutely terrible coming off the bye. Poor preparation - that's a coaching issue.

Same excuses, sames post game responses with 0 resolution or accountability from the substitute teacher on down.

Derek Carr is quickly becoming my most unlikeable person on this team. He's arrogant, refuses to take on any responsibility & gives very bizarre answers to simple questions from local media (Nick, Mike and DeShazier).

I don't care how much they are paying him, if he's not getting the job done he needs to take a seat. Between his attitude and performance, I'd bench him if he sucks it up against Detroit on Sunday.

End rant.
If he sucks it up on Sunday, he won’t be benched.
If he doesn’t suck it up on Sunday, he won’t be benched.

For us, either way, it’s LOSE/LOSE.
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Old 12-01-2023, 02:55 PM   #5
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There is another issue to add to the very long list, Jeff Ireland. After an excellent 2017 draft, there hasn't been much to write home about.
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Old 12-01-2023, 03:27 PM   #6
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Repost from another thread:


I've faithfully watched the Saints since the late 80s. but I am no longer planning my Sundays around Saints football.

What's driving me here is that we can all see what's wrong. It's so bad that players (current and former) are echoing our sentiments.

Yet, the organization is apparently content to sit on their hands!!

I'm not saying DA has to be fired with six games left but if we see another performance like the last two games, he cannot coach another game because he's lost the players AND the fans.
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Originally Posted by neugey View Post
I've been trying to figure out why the current mismanagement by Loomis is ticking me off so much and getting under my skin. It didn't used to grind my gears like this.



This is a franchise that has done many hundreds of mind-boggling things in its history (some even during the Brees/Payton era). I got hooked on the Saints during the Dome Patrol era - and believe we did more than our share of stupid s**t back then. Seeing our kicker be the only offensive threat on our team shouldn't feel so bad to Saints fans, right, as that was the peak Morten Andersen existence?


Letting Wesley Walls go to Carolina in expansion was crazy.
Letting LaRoi Glover get away was nuts.
We were in position to draft Eddie George and Warrick Dunn before the infamous Ricky Williams overpay.
Probably so much other stupid s**t we did. I could probably spend the whole day researching just the early 90's onward.


But the current day fiasco seems so much worse. Yesterday's fun has become today's frustration. Why?


- Is it because in prior days there was less parity and a bigger talent divide in the NFL and it was a harder climb to build a winner to compete with the likes of San Francisco and Dallas in the NFC, hence less hope to be had?


- Is it because I'm older and I've seen more of the world and have more context on how businesses (inside and outside of sports) fail/lose?



- Is it because I feel the organization is trapped because of the dead money contracts that are unmovable and that we have reached historic levels of roster inflexibility in NFL history if not all of sports?


- Is it because our roster is the oldest in the NFL whilst the college game is flourishing and the NFL is becoming more of a younger player's league than it was before?


- Is it because the Internet and social media gives us more opportunity to validate our frustration with our fellow fans?


- Is it because I've been a fan for longer and I have more emotional capital invested?


- It is because Mickey has seemingly lost all sense of discipline, clearly betting against himself in free agency with Carr and to an extent Jamaal Williams, and even moreso in the draft with Penning, a player who should have been a late day 2/day 3 project?



- Is it because we've completely undercut the culture of blue-collar meritocracy that Payton established with players like Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore and Scott Shanle?


- Is it because Mickey is living off his past laurels and trying to use the sentiment of fans as a weapon against us? Having Jimmy Graham on the team, the one player who was the greatest development story of Payton's whole career, on the roster to do nothing for us rather than just retire?


Which aspects (or others) have you totally fed up? Talk me off the ledge here.
I'm certain that it's the internet. Of course, I'm old and remember only getting my information from ESPN and other sports outlets as a young man. I barely knew who anyone was on the team so like Guido I blindly and happily supported whatever the Saints organization gave me.
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According to the SME (subject matter experts) in the football space, Saints have the EASIEST remaining strength of schedue ...

And we're 5-6? The math ain't mathing.

Edit: And one of the healthiest teams in 2023
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Originally Posted by K Major View Post
According to the SME (subject matter experts) in the football space, Saints have the EASIEST remaining strength of schedue ...

And we're 5-6? The math ain't mathing.

Edit: And one of the healthiest teams in 2023
The only way that THIS math is gonna math, is if the hidden agenda is to move the team out of New Orleans. Please don’t shoot the messenger, that’s just what I’m seeing.
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The only way that THIS math is gonna math, is if the hidden agenda is to move the team out of New Orleans. Please don’t shoot the messenger, that’s just what I’m seeing.

If there would be any legs to this it seems so bizarre. Compared to the Oakland A's who destroyed their fanbase by destroying their team and tearing it down to the studs. This would be more like a false flag operation.
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