Clean house now

Danno · 12-15-2023, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

You don’t see. PERIOD.

We get it. You don't like Guido.

Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests.

Sinner · 12-15-2023, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We get it. You don't like Guido.

Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests.

If by pissing contests, you’re referring to Saints Games during these last two seasons, you are correct. Everybody’s tired.

AsylumGuido · 12-15-2023, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We get it. You don't like Guido.

Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests.

It's a one way piss since I have had him blocked for months. All he appears to be doing is pissing off everyone else. LOL!!

Sinner · 12-15-2023, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's a one way piss since I have had him blocked for months. All he appears to be doing is pissing off everyone else. LOL!!

I look forward to the day when our Saints put together a winning team, maybe five or six more years from now, and we can all raise a glass together, until then, Pollyannas gonna Pollyanna, and Pissers gonna Piss. Clearly, you can take it.

iceshack149 · 12-15-2023, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Let’s hope (at least most of us here) the Saints front office aren't put into the position to make the same mistake the Chargers made last year, when they kept Brandon Staley despite the writing being clearly written on the wall.

“Run it back” with this inept coaching staff for what?

Firing Pete in the off season is the easy out. Saints issues are far greater than just the OC.

Loomis and Benson have to know that their investors want big changes. That makes these decisions a matter of investment. If Dennis Allen returns the team will likely lose a lot of money.

AsylumGuido · 12-15-2023, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Loomis and Benson have to know that their investors want big changes. That makes these decisions a matter of investment. If Dennis Allen returns the team will likely lose a lot of money.

Who are these investors that are putting "a lot of money" into the Saints coffers?

All but a small percentage of revenues are shared in the NFL. The model was designed such that any individual franchise cannot suffer financially. The vast majority of league revenues come through the broadcast deals. Those are guaranteed for almost the next decade and are split evenly amongst teams. A portion of a team's ticket sales are kept within house, but the remainder are also shared evenly amongst all franchises. Therefore, even the least attended still get a sizable portion of ticket revenues. Most established franchises (including the Saints) are guaranteed sellouts for years to come. Merchandise is also shared evenly across all franchises. The only revenue source that belongs to the individual franchise is concessions which, on the whole, is a very small percentage of total income.

This is why even the worst of franchises are setting records for sales price when transferred to new owners.

Believe me, money is not an incentive for change in any individual NFL franchise. Pride, yes. Money, no. The league model has that well in hand.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-15-2023, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We get it. You don't like Guido.

Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests.

Best to just ignore it and stay out of it. Sinner isn't going to be satisfied until the organization is stripped from top to bottom, which is not generally the tenor of this organization and Guido cannot be dissuaded from cheering and pulling for the team no matter what the objective state of affairs are.

Both are unrealistic in their expectations. Personally I think Sinner uses Guido as a proxy for the Saints brass with the "We have the right people in the building..." nonsense. So, since it's not possible to heckle Loomis and Ms. Benson on the daily, and seeing nothing change, all that ire is instead directed towards Guido, which we all know is an immovable object on that front.

So, personally, I treat the situation just like I'm treating the team now: just watching with no expectations that anything is going to change or get better. Doing anything else seems to just lead to frustration on a daily basis.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 12-15-2023, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Best to just ignore it and stay out of it. Sinner isn't going to be satisfied until the organization is stripped from top to bottom, which is not generally the tenor of this organization and Guido cannot be dissuaded from cheering and pulling for the team no matter what the objective state of affairs are.

Both are unrealistic in their expectations. Personally I think Sinner uses Guido as a proxy for the Saints brass with the "We have the right people in the building..." nonsense. So, since it's not possible to heckle Loomis and Ms. Benson on the daily, and seeing nothing change, all that ire is instead directed towards Guido, which we all know is an immovable object on that front.

So, personally, I treat the situation just like I'm treating the team now: just watching with no expectations that anything is going to change or get better. Doing anything else seems to just lead to frustration on a daily basis.

SFIAH

You're just too damned logical, SFIAH.

Sinner · 12-15-2023, 05:30 PM

Okay… See y’all on Sunday then.

Rugby Saint II · 12-16-2023, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I honestly don't know what to make of Carr. With Gruden he was above average. With any other coach he's been... sufficient. I don't think he has the "it" factor so since the Saints are stuck with him they need to get a smart, demanding coach that knows how to use the whole team to win.

Therein lies the problem. DA and Carr aren't Alpha males. Throw Gruden(Alpha) in the mix and you've got different results.

12-15-2023, 03:07 PM	#101
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Sinner You don’t see. PERIOD. We get it. You don't like Guido. Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests. bobdog86 likes this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Danno We get it. You don't like Guido. Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests. If by pissing contests, you’re referring to Saints Games during these last two seasons, you are correct. Everybody’s tired. K Major likes this.
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12-15-2023, 03:53 PM	#103
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Danno We get it. You don't like Guido. Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests. It's a one way piss since I have had him blocked for months. All he appears to be doing is pissing off everyone else. LOL!!

12-15-2023, 04:02 PM	#104
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's a one way piss since I have had him blocked for months. All he appears to be doing is pissing off everyone else. LOL!! I look forward to the day when our Saints put together a winning team, maybe five or six more years from now, and we can all raise a glass together, until then, Pollyannas gonna Pollyanna, and Pissers gonna Piss. Clearly, you can take it.
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12-15-2023, 04:10 PM	#105
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,093 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by K Major Let’s hope (at least most of us here) the Saints front office aren't put into the position to make the same mistake the Chargers made last year, when they kept Brandon Staley despite the writing being clearly written on the wall. “Run it back” with this inept coaching staff for what? Firing Pete in the off season is the easy out. Saints issues are far greater than just the OC. Loomis and Benson have to know that their investors want big changes. That makes these decisions a matter of investment. If Dennis Allen returns the team will likely lose a lot of money.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by iceshack149 Loomis and Benson have to know that their investors want big changes. That makes these decisions a matter of investment. If Dennis Allen returns the team will likely lose a lot of money. Who are these investors that are putting "a lot of money" into the Saints coffers? All but a small percentage of revenues are shared in the NFL. The model was designed such that any individual franchise cannot suffer financially. The vast majority of league revenues come through the broadcast deals. Those are guaranteed for almost the next decade and are split evenly amongst teams. A portion of a team's ticket sales are kept within house, but the remainder are also shared evenly amongst all franchises. Therefore, even the least attended still get a sizable portion of ticket revenues. Most established franchises (including the Saints) are guaranteed sellouts for years to come. Merchandise is also shared evenly across all franchises. The only revenue source that belongs to the individual franchise is concessions which, on the whole, is a very small percentage of total income. This is why even the worst of franchises are setting records for sales price when transferred to new owners. Believe me, money is not an incentive for change in any individual NFL franchise. Pride, yes. Money, no. The league model has that well in hand.
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12-15-2023, 05:20 PM	#107
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Danno We get it. You don't like Guido. Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests. Best to just ignore it and stay out of it. Sinner isn't going to be satisfied until the organization is stripped from top to bottom, which is not generally the tenor of this organization and Guido cannot be dissuaded from cheering and pulling for the team no matter what the objective state of affairs are. Both are unrealistic in their expectations. Personally I think Sinner uses Guido as a proxy for the Saints brass with the "We have the right people in the building..." nonsense. So, since it's not possible to heckle Loomis and Ms. Benson on the daily, and seeing nothing change, all that ire is instead directed towards Guido, which we all know is an immovable object on that front. So, personally, I treat the situation just like I'm treating the team now: just watching with no expectations that anything is going to change or get better. Doing anything else seems to just lead to frustration on a daily basis. SFIAH AsylumGuido, WW_Who_Dat, Sinner and 1 others like this.
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12-15-2023, 05:25 PM	#108
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Best to just ignore it and stay out of it. Sinner isn't going to be satisfied until the organization is stripped from top to bottom, which is not generally the tenor of this organization and Guido cannot be dissuaded from cheering and pulling for the team no matter what the objective state of affairs are. Both are unrealistic in their expectations. Personally I think Sinner uses Guido as a proxy for the Saints brass with the "We have the right people in the building..." nonsense. So, since it's not possible to heckle Loomis and Ms. Benson on the daily, and seeing nothing change, all that ire is instead directed towards Guido, which we all know is an immovable object on that front. So, personally, I treat the situation just like I'm treating the team now: just watching with no expectations that anything is going to change or get better. Doing anything else seems to just lead to frustration on a daily basis. SFIAH You're just too damned logical, SFIAH.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Clean house now Okay… See y’all on Sunday then.
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12-16-2023, 02:59 PM	#110
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,760	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by iceshack149 I honestly don't know what to make of Carr. With Gruden he was above average. With any other coach he's been... sufficient. I don't think he has the "it" factor so since the Saints are stuck with him they need to get a smart, demanding coach that knows how to use the whole team to win. Therein lies the problem. DA and Carr aren't Alpha males. Throw Gruden(Alpha) in the mix and you've got different results. Sinner likes this.