Clean house now

AsylumGuido · 12-07-2023, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

In the four major American team sports, here is the list of GM's who have served longer than Mickey as GM:

Brian Cashman (Yankees)
Jerry Jones (Cowboys)*
Bill Belichick (Patriots)*
Mike Brown/Duke Tobin (Bengals)

Pat Riley (Heat)*

The guys with a (*) are current/future hall-of-famers who might have a few blind spots but are all far, far more intelligent men than Mickey by a country mile.

That leaves us with Cashman (4 championship rings) and Brown/Tobin (Bengals had a mediocre existence but have been killing it the last 3+ years). While Loomis has more or less been going in the opposite direction of the Bengals. And we aren't run anything like the Yankees, actually more like the Mets - disastrous win-now strategies get used and we think the franchise is God's gift to sports just because we won a championship or two in the past.

Mickey is a do-nothing optimist with zero objectivity.

What's Mickey's career record?

Sinner · 12-07-2023, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What's Mickey's career record?

His record is “We have the right people in the building” (2023) PERIOD.

Rugby Saint II · 12-08-2023, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What's Mickey's career record?

People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear.

neugey · 12-08-2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear.

I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left.

Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words.

Rugby Saint II · 12-09-2023, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left.

Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words.

If he doesn't fire everybody this offseason then I'm probably onboard with going in a fresh direction under a new GM. That means a full rebuild! Personally, that scares the hell out of me!

The problem with firing everyone is that it's not an easy task to replace a recently competent staff. I don't want to become the Browns or the Aints(again) and keep running through a vicious cycle looking for the right combination of good management, coaches, scouts,and other essential personnel again.

Be careful what you wish for! You just might get it!

12-07-2023, 07:57 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by neugey In the four major American team sports, here is the list of GM's who have served longer than Mickey as GM: Brian Cashman (Yankees) Jerry Jones (Cowboys)* Bill Belichick (Patriots)* Mike Brown/Duke Tobin (Bengals) Pat Riley (Heat)* The guys with a (*) are current/future hall-of-famers who might have a few blind spots but are all far, far more intelligent men than Mickey by a country mile. That leaves us with Cashman (4 championship rings) and Brown/Tobin (Bengals had a mediocre existence but have been killing it the last 3+ years). While Loomis has more or less been going in the opposite direction of the Bengals. And we aren't run anything like the Yankees, actually more like the Mets - disastrous win-now strategies get used and we think the franchise is God's gift to sports just because we won a championship or two in the past. Mickey is a do-nothing optimist with zero objectivity. What's Mickey's career record?

12-07-2023, 07:59 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What's Mickey's career record? His record is “We have the right people in the building” (2023) PERIOD.
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12-08-2023, 01:21 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What's Mickey's career record? People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear. AsylumGuido likes this.

12-08-2023, 03:22 PM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear. I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left. Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words.

12-09-2023, 03:21 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by neugey I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left. Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words. If he doesn't fire everybody this offseason then I'm probably onboard with going in a fresh direction under a new GM. That means a full rebuild! Personally, that scares the hell out of me! The problem with firing everyone is that it's not an easy task to replace a recently competent staff. I don't want to become the Browns or the Aints(again) and keep running through a vicious cycle looking for the right combination of good management, coaches, scouts,and other essential personnel again. Be careful what you wish for! You just might get it!
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