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mapcow 12-12-2023 05:57 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988263)
I am a fan of my Saints. I will always wish for a win anytime they take the field. There is no guarantee of anything in the future. The next coach, or the one after that, or even the next are not assured of being the path to a future Super Bowl.

In no way does a playoff berth extend anything other than an additional game, at least, for the dedicated fans of our Saints to attend another game and support the team that we love.

I'm sorry, but no part of me accepts the desire for my Saints to lose any game. To me those that feel that way are no different than a lowly Falcons' or Bucs' fan. Once again, I'm sorry if any of you have an issue with that, but that is just how I feel. And I assure you that I am not alone in that. I refuse to take any pleasure from my beloved team losing any game. Never.

I don't care anything about those that feel differently. That's on them.

excuse me while i go puke. :beatnik:

mapcow 12-12-2023 05:58 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988269)
Or as fans (PAYING CUSTOMERS), DEMAND A QUALITY PRODUCT. Imagine that…

:bng:

iceshack149 12-13-2023 10:11 AM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988263)
I am a fan of my Saints. I will always wish for a win anytime they take the field. There is no guarantee of anything in the future. The next coach, or the one after that, or even the next are not assured of being the path to a future Super Bowl.

In no way does a playoff berth extend anything other than an additional game, at least, for the dedicated fans of our Saints to attend another game and support the team that we love.

I'm sorry, but no part of me accepts the desire for my Saints to lose any game. To me those that feel that way are no different than a lowly Falcons' or Bucs' fan. Once again, I'm sorry if any of you have an issue with that, but that is just how I feel. And I assure you that I am not alone in that. I refuse to take any pleasure from my beloved team losing any game. Never.

I don't care anything about those that feel differently. That's on them.


This team is awesome.
Keep doing what you're doing.
I'll give this franchise my money no matter what.

https://media.tenor.com/RweL2vnlbSoA...umber-yell.gif

mapcow 12-13-2023 11:44 AM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988171)
I would hope any win is a good thing to a loyal fan. The point of the game is to win.

That said, we have a very winnable game next week versus the Giants. We should be getting Taysom back for that one and possibly Shaheed. If I'm not mistaken, both Michael Thomas and Lattimore should be eligible to return the following week to face the Rams. A win there would put us in the driver's seat with a game remaining against both the Bucs and Falcons. We are better than both those squads and could be as healthy as we've been all season entering that final stretch.

As things currently stand the Eagles would have the #5 seed and would visit the Saints. The Eagles are not the juggernaut as many had christened them and can be beat.


Devito gonna make Carr look like a rookie

AsylumGuido 12-13-2023 12:09 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 988297)
This team is awesome.
Keep doing what you're doing.
I'll give this franchise my money no matter what.

https://media.tenor.com/RweL2vnlbSoA...umber-yell.gif

Nope. This team has many faults, mainly the coaching. Changes are definitely needed. And what I choose to do with my money is none of anyone else's business.

Sinner 12-13-2023 12:16 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988318)
Nope. This team has many faults, mainly the coaching. Changes are definitely needed. And what I choose to do with my money is none of anyone else's business.

Wrong. Your money is Saints Mismanagement’s business. Literally.

AsylumGuido 12-13-2023 12:20 PM

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To honestly look at the Saints chances at this point we need to include the games remaining for the other two teams in the race.

Saints

vs Giants
@ Rams
@ Bucs
vs Falcons

Bucs

@ Packers
vs Jags
vs Saints
@ Panthers

Falcons

@ Panthers
vs Colts
@ Bears
@ Saints

I don't see either TB or Atlanta making it through the final four games without at least one loss. Two losses each appears to be very possible.

Sinner 12-13-2023 12:32 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988322)
To honestly look at the Saints chances at this point we need to include the games remaining for the other two teams in the race.

Saints

vs Giants
@ Rams
@ Bucs
vs Falcons

Bucs

@ Packers
vs Jags
vs Saints
@ Panthers

Falcons

@ Panthers
vs Colts
@ Bears
@ Saints

I don't see either TB or Atlanta making it through the final four games without at least one loss. Two losses each appears to be very possible.

To honestly look at the Saints’ chances at this point, with all the ridiculous hypothetical scenarios which at best, would result in the painful continuation of a sub-mediocre product being sustained, is to lose sight of the fact that the rest of us are DEMANDING that this team rebuild and restore the satisfaction to the fans who EXPECT to see a WINNING (or at least, a highly competitive) FORMULA on the field.

FOCUS.

K Major 12-13-2023 12:41 PM

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Precisely ^^

AsylumGuido 12-13-2023 03:01 PM

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Danno 12-13-2023 03:07 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988327)
To honestly look at the Saints’ chances at this point, with all the ridiculous hypothetical scenarios which at best, would result in the painful continuation of a sub-mediocre product being sustained, is to lose sight of the fact that the rest of us are DEMANDING that this team rebuild and restore the satisfaction to the fans who EXPECT to see a WINNING (or at least, a highly competitive) FORMULA on the field.

FOCUS.

I don't think a rebuild is necessary. A targeted re-tooling may be a better option. We have some really good players on this team. Very few holes in my opinion, however one big hole is QB.

I'm also interested to see how Carr would do under a different OC.

Add some speed to the front 7 (especially LB), and a quality free-agent O-lineman and we'll be set to draft BPA when draft time comes.

Rebuild the coaching staff? Hell yeah!

Add more talent to the roster. No need to rebuild.

Sinner 12-13-2023 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 988352)
I don't think a rebuild is necessary. A targeted re-tooling may be a better option. We have some really good players on this team. Very few holes in my opinion, however one big hole is QB.

I'm also interested to see how Carr would do under a different OC.

Add some speed to the front 7 (especially LB), and a quality free-agent O-lineman and we'll be set to draft BPA when draft time comes.

Rebuild the coaching staff? Hell yeah!

Add more talent to the roster. No need to rebuild.

Y’all can keep talking about bandaids over gunshot wounds all you like. Watch what happens, or more importantly, what doesn’t happen. Gonna be a long while…

Danno 12-13-2023 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988355)
Y’all can keep talking about bandaids over gunshot wounds all you like. Watch what happens, or more importantly, what doesn’t happen. Gonna be a long while…

Define the gunshot wounds on our roster.

Sinner 12-13-2023 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 988364)
Define the gunshot wounds on our roster.

“We have all the right people in the building” Mickey Loomis

And the Game Ball goes to…

Danno 12-13-2023 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988365)
“We have all the right people in the building” Mickey Loomis

And the Game Ball goes to…

Mickey isn't on the player roster. I was referencing the players we have.

Sinner 12-13-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 988367)
Mickey isn't on the player roster. I was referencing the players we have.

We have a management problem. PERIOD.

Danno 12-13-2023 03:57 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988368)
We have a management problem. PERIOD.

True, but that doesn't require a team rebuild.

Sinner 12-13-2023 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 988370)
True, but that doesn't require a team rebuild.

Y’all can bring your fly swatter to this bull fight all day. Watch the bullsh*t keep piling up… watch…maybe next year? Pathetic.

Danno 12-13-2023 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988371)
Y’all can bring your fly swatter to this bull fight all day. Watch the bullsh*t keep piling up… watch…maybe next year? Pathetic.

You can keep stirring cow patties with a silver spoon, its still bull ****.
You can put a skirt on a donkey, but that doesn't make it a fine piece of ass.:rolleyes:

So do you think the roster needs a rebuild, or just the staff?

Sinner 12-13-2023 04:12 PM

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I told y’all what I think since Drew was in decline, and Payton was preparing to fly away. The front office had other ideas. Now just watch…

NOLA54 12-13-2023 05:07 PM

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We will never get rid of Allen if they make the playoffs. I'm praying they don't win any more games.

bobdog86 12-13-2023 05:17 PM

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Unfortunately don't think this Pollyanna ownership/management group is going to whack the heads where needed whether we win or lose, so I'm rooting and hoping for the best. Expecting nothing.....either good or bad and that just sucks

AsylumGuido 12-13-2023 05:18 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 988391)
We will never get rid of Allen if they make the playoffs. I'm praying they don't win any more games.

Hoping my prayers offset yours and Dennis Allen gets booted anyway.

;)

Sinner 12-13-2023 05:20 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988394)
Hoping my prayers offset yours and Dennis Allen gets booted anyway.

;)

By now it should be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Quido hasn’t figured out how things work (or don’t work) around here.

Rugby Saint II 12-15-2023 03:59 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 988352)
I don't think a rebuild is necessary. A targeted re-tooling may be a better option. We have some really good players on this team. Very few holes in my opinion, however one big hole is QB.

I'm also interested to see how Carr would do under a different OC.

Add some speed to the front 7 (especially LB), and a quality free-agent O-lineman and we'll be set to draft BPA when draft time comes.

Rebuild the coaching staff? Hell yeah!

Add more talent to the roster. No need to rebuild.

A target rebuild is a spot on description of what we need rather than a rebuild or tear down.
Keep a few valuable assistant coaches and clear house at HC, DC, and OC, and Douggie Marrone to start. We should also look at fresh scouts to help Jeff Ireland rebuild his brand. He's been hit or miss lately.

[quote=Sinner;988355]Y’all can keep talking about bandaids over gunshot wounds all you like. Watch what happens, or more importantly, what doesn’t happen. Gonna be a long while…[/QUOTE

The players aren't gunshot but the coaches are brain dead.


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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988368)
We have a management problem. PERIOD.

Maybe. Maybe we have a coaching problem that influences a bean counter. When Payton did it that worked. Not now so much.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 988370)
True, but that doesn't require a team rebuild.

Rebuilds rarely work fast enough to suit the short sighted attention span of most fans who cry for change after just one year or two.

The Saints desperately need a system shake up and all new coches. I think Loomis isn't perfect but he's obviously very good and I don't know of one person who can do a better job. However, The Saints do need a stronger Alpha leadership football brain in upper management though.


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