Who Are The Right People Really?

leilung · 12-26-2023, 08:37 AM

Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho.
- A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat
- A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now
- More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject
-More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful.

If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him.
Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell!

SmashMouth · 12-26-2023, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho.
- A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat
- A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now
- More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject
-More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful.

If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him.
Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell!

The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can.

I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the team appears more motivated.

WW_Who_Dat · 12-26-2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can.

I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the [B][/B]team appears more motivated.

Defending no one in particular but the offense is at a huge disadvantage to start with because our 2 middle school coaches are going up against real NFL level coaches on most Sundays. It shows in game prep and planning, we are consistently behind by the end of the 1st half if not the 1st quarter. Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are trash-time kings of mediocrity.

At this point we KNOW what Allen is, the team is not prepared, lacks discipline and accountability which starts with the head coach. Allen’s repeated sound bites post game, “we have to look at film see what went wrong what went right and play better. How do you think he has delivered on those talking points. IMHO the answer is a resounding NO for 2 seasons in a row.

12-26-2023, 08:37 AM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,439	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho. - A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat - A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now - More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject -More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful. If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him. Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell! saintsfan1976 likes this.
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12-26-2023, 09:22 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,271 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by leilung Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho. - A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat - A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now - More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject -More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful. If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him. Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell! The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can. I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the team appears more motivated. leilung likes this.

12-26-2023, 10:06 AM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,286 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by SmashMouth The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can. I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the [B][/B]team appears more motivated. Defending no one in particular but the offense is at a huge disadvantage to start with because our 2 middle school coaches are going up against real NFL level coaches on most Sundays. It shows in game prep and planning, we are consistently behind by the end of the 1st half if not the 1st quarter. Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are trash-time kings of mediocrity. At this point we KNOW what Allen is, the team is not prepared, lacks discipline and accountability which starts with the head coach. Allen’s repeated sound bites post game, “we have to look at film see what went wrong what went right and play better. How do you think he has delivered on those talking points. IMHO the answer is a resounding NO for 2 seasons in a row. SmashMouth likes this.