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SaintSproles 12-24-2023 07:41 PM

Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year
 
.426 SOS

Dennis Allen is the worst head coach in the NFL.

Best thing to do is lose the last 2 games, get a top 10 pick and pray Jayden Daniels is still there.

And fire Dennis Allen. He's been head coach 3 years too long.

Sinner 12-24-2023 07:42 PM

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Gonna be a LOTTA pain here…

BakoSaint 12-24-2023 08:00 PM

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I wish he was the worst head coach in the NFL. Actually he is the most proven to be below average, but not the worst. It would actually be better to have a worse coach, because either way we have no chance, and the other way at least we would get a higher draft pick and a quicker replacement. I would say that Dennis Allen is more in the Barry Switzer category than the Urban Meyer category and if he was inheriting the prime Dallas Cowboys team and hoping to squeak out one more ring I would prefer Allen to Meyer. But Dennis Allen is a consistently just below average coach who could never win a ring without a team that was by a far and wide margin the best in the league. The Saints are perhaps a 9 win team with an excellent coach and average schedule, who lost 3 wins due to having DA as coach and gained 2 wins due to their easy schedule.

SaintSproles 12-24-2023 08:12 PM

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.426 SOS
Headed for an 8-9 and more likely a 7-10 record

The Tom Brady MNF game debacle that cost us the division title last year.

The Green Bay 4th quarter debacle that derailed what should have been at a minimum 10-7 successful season.

Based on talent level of this team and SOS, he's the absolute worst head coach this season.

SaintSproles 12-24-2023 08:45 PM

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Using the playoff generator, if the Saints win out, there isn't really any likely scenario they make the playoffs with a Tampa win over Carolina that gives the Bucs the division.

So at 9-8 and out of the playoffs, it's likely the 14th-16th pick at best. At 7-10 you're looking at about the 10th pick in the draft. Huge difference.

Saints must lose out and do whatever it takes to assure themselves of the Daniels pick. Move on from Carr after next season. Perfect to have Daniels take over in 2025.

K Major 12-24-2023 10:12 PM

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Saints aren’t moving on from Carr. At least not in 2024, especially if the substitute teacher is still HC.

Jayden Daniels won’t be an option either. Not for the Saints organization.

They’ll draft some no name (see Penning & Turner) OL or DE with a questionable college medical history.

neugey 12-24-2023 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 989376)
I would say that Dennis Allen is more in the Barry Switzer category


Switzer was something Allen will never be - an impressive head coach. The problem with Switzer is he was great at the college level and his approach didn't click in the NFL.


Allen is perhaps more akin to an extremely poor man's Jason Garrett, if the poor man was a big believer in chopping wood.

keithday123 12-24-2023 11:30 PM

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But you see how this thing is playing out. I don’t see any way we be TB or ATL which means we probably will and finish 9-8 and not make playoffs leaving us home in January and drafting midway through first round. Geez, can’t win for losing or in this case can’t lose for winning.

Sinner 12-24-2023 11:53 PM

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I’m gonna insert Stephen A. Smith laughter into these threads just so I don’t cry.

SaintSproles 12-25-2023 08:29 AM

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Just lose the last 2 games.

Please.

Sinner 12-25-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintSproles (Post 989387)
Just lose the last 2 games.

Please.

They will not disappoint.

K Major 12-25-2023 11:55 AM

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Well Kamara did tell the media over a month ago that he’s had enough of the “rah rah” speeches. What is your (coaches & Carr) BIGGER plan to improve?

So far, Allen still has no clue on how to solve those problems.

7-8 is the result from this so called “2nd easiest schedule”.

Sinner 12-25-2023 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 989393)
Well Kamara did tell the media over a month ago that he’s had enough of the “rah rah” speeches. What is your (coaches & Carr) BIGGER plan to improve?

So far, Allen still has no clue on how to solve those problems.

7-8 is the result from this so called “2nd easiest schedule”.

With 19 rushing yards against the Rams, I’d say that AK has probably had more than enough of much more than “rah rah” speeches.

K Major 12-25-2023 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 989394)
With 19 rushing yards against the Rams, I’d say that AK has probably had more than enough of much more than “rah rah” speeches.

Taysom Hill 2 carries 2 yards
Jamaal Williams 2 carries 8 yards

Wow!

lee909 12-25-2023 01:13 PM

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Kamara will put in a trade request this summer imo

Sinner 12-25-2023 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 989395)
Taysom Hill 2 carries 2 yards
Jamaal Williams 2 carries 8 yards

Wow!

Stats like that will make the most diehard Quido hum “Silent Night”.

BakoSaint 12-25-2023 01:53 PM

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Taysom Hill is a great guy but he should be traded to the Cowboys because looking unstoppable against bad teams and being stopped against good teams is his specialty. Nothing personal but the bruising wildcat runner is just a thing that works better used sparingly and only against defenses that struggle to adjust to it. The $10 million a year would be better spent on oline depth so that the running backs can runs and the QB can pass. You can say Hill's production is worth $10 million, but if it doesn't come against the tough defenses in the big games, its not worth it to me.

Kamara won't need to put in a trade request. DA and Loomis will cut Thomas and Kamara loose for dissent and give long extensions to the rah rah chop wood guys. They are building a culture around their own identities, which resemble the Cleveland Browns culture under Hue Jackson. Except without stockpiling draft picks. Stick to the plan. If Olave acts up, they will trade him the Eagles for a 5th.

I think the Saints will most likely go 1-1 in their final two games. DA is consistently inconsistent.

K Major 12-25-2023 03:13 PM

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Raiders got the W today over the Chiefs.

Helps the Saints 2024 draft position.

lee909 12-25-2023 08:09 PM

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Amazing work by Loomis the last few years in helping build tbe Eagles in the draft. How do you have such bad cap space, an aging team amd 2 picks in the first 4 rounds for the draft.

jnormand 12-25-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 989398)
Taysom Hill is a great guy but he should be traded to the Cowboys because looking unstoppable against bad teams and being stopped against good teams is his specialty. Nothing personal but the bruising wildcat runner is just a thing that works better used sparingly and only against defenses that struggle to adjust to it. The $10 million a year would be better spent on oline depth so that the running backs can runs and the QB can pass. You can say Hill's production is worth $10 million, but if it doesn't come against the tough defenses in the big games, its not worth it to me.

Kamara won't need to put in a trade request. DA and Loomis will cut Thomas and Kamara loose for dissent and give long extensions to the rah rah chop wood guys. They are building a culture around their own identities, which resemble the Cleveland Browns culture under Hue Jackson. Except without stockpiling draft picks. Stick to the plan. If Olave acts up, they will trade him the Eagles for a 5th.

I think the Saints will most likely go 1-1 in their final two games. DA is consistently inconsistent.

Love Taysom. But I certainly can appreciate your opinion. But he always seems to do well against most opponents given the chance to do so. His last game he had 2 runs. Idk if that’s really giving him the opportunity to do anything. Again, I don’t have the stats in front of me as far as how he does against “good teams vs bad teams.”

I would think that most good players look better against trash teams. Lol. Like our current team.

Imo, Hill earns his money much more than many other players on our team and others. Especially our current starting QB, WR and coach and OC.

Just thoughts.

neugey 12-25-2023 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 989400)
Raiders got the W today over the Chiefs.

Helps the Saints 2024 draft position.


The Raiders are also winning the long game, as it seems likely that they've found their future coach in the fervent Pierce.


We however are not so lucky, and I just pray that the resume of Josh McDaniels never finds it way into our office given our fetish for onetime Raiders.

Sinner 12-25-2023 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 989403)
Love Taysom. But I certainly can appreciate your opinion. But he always seems to do well against most opponents given the chance to do so. His last game he had 2 runs. Idk if that’s really giving him the opportunity to do anything. Again, I don’t have the stats in front of me as far as how he does against “good teams vs bad teams.”

I would think that most good players look better against trash teams. Lol. Like our current team.

Imo, Hill earns his money much more than many other players on our team and others. Especially our current starting QB, WR and coach and OC.

Just thoughts.

If we lose Taysom, we lose what little excitement we have left.

SmashMouth 12-25-2023 10:48 PM

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BakoSaint 12-26-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 989405)
If we lose Taysom, we lose what little excitement we have left.

I think we should draft oline not Jayden Daniels, but lets say we did draft Daniels and he worked his way up to starter. Are you going to take Daniels off the field repeatedly to get Hill his snaps? Its hard to quantify how much Hill takes other QBs out of their rhythm with the wildcat snaps, but I am sure it has some effect. But more importantly spending $10 million on a wildcat QB not oline has an effect on the other QBs and the other RBs. But it doesn't matter, with the salary cap at only $240 million projected for 2024 we need to restructure and keep 75% of these guys, and Hill will probably be one to stay.

SmashMouth 12-26-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 989412)
I think we should draft oline not Jayden Daniels, but lets say we did draft Daniels and he worked his way up to starter. Are you going to take Daniels off the field repeatedly to get Hill his snaps? Its hard to quantify how much Hill takes other QBs out of their rhythm with the wildcat snaps, but I am sure it has some effect. But more importantly spending $10 million on a wildcat QB not oline has an effect on the other QBs and the other RBs. But it doesn't matter, with the salary cap at only $240 million projected for 2024 we need to restructure and keep 75% of these guys, and Hill will probably be one to stay.

Time to move Taysom and get value if we can. Same with Kamara. 2024 may be the year we can trade these players and get some cap relief and draftable assets. Agreed on the OL. Will we get a shot at JD5?

Mr.Riaton 12-26-2023 11:16 AM

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I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent.
I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future.

I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems

Sinner 12-26-2023 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 989418)
I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent.
I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future.

I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems

We have already been sucking for a few years, we suck more now, and we’re not rebuilding. I’d be happy to see Taysom run a few plays just so I could see the game of FOOTBALL being played by someone in a Saints uniform every once in awhile. Miss those days…

neugey 12-26-2023 11:40 AM

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The pre-draft "QB helium" and the Heisman award will cause Daniels to rise too high for us to get. Thus there will be other bargain QB's falling into the mid-late 1st and 2nd round. Hopefully McCarthy or Ewers if he decides to leave.

BakoSaint 12-26-2023 12:16 PM

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Unfortunately the degree that we can even rebuild and clear cap space is very minimal. We need to restructure 75% of our veterans to get under the salary cap which we are now projected to be $87-89 million under after projections of its increase have been reduced. Unfortunately a cut or trade does not clear up as much cap as a restructure on a 1 year basis, though it clears up much more long term. And Post June 1 designations do not do anything to get us under the cap in spring as they don't affect the cap until June 1. So we really can hardly even rebuild. We just have to basically not add anybody and wait for some contracts to expire. It might even make sense to trade our 1st round pick for future 1st rounders or to trade Olave for future draft picks to free up some cash to actually be able to afford to cut or trade players who have dead cap hits associated with moving on. Mickey Loomis cap Voldemort cap Sauron has got us into a very bad situation.

Also, the salary cap will not go up a lot forever. The pandemic is not the only thing that can cause an unexpected dip. It is going to go up when the repay of lower profits from the pandemic expires and new streaming deals come in. However, content providers have overbid for NFL content during the streaming wars as a way to attract subscribers to their services. As the streaming wars end and some providers merge or fold, streaming has not been very lucrative for content providers, and ultimately when streaming becomes like the networks or cable or perhaps even more consolidated and powerful, the NFL may suddenly lose its bargaining power. The streaming wars will never be in more of a loss leader mode than they are today, with streamers willing to overpay the NFL massively while giving subscribers 1 year free trials, so maxxing the cap year to year expecting infinite exponential growth is going to pinch even harder than it already is. Also don't be surprised if there is some social backlash to expanded gambling. The cash cow may expire when people find their kids or parents gambled away their mortgage and are moving back in.

Rugby Saint II 12-27-2023 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 989418)
I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent.
I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future.

I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems

You make a good point about the enthusiasm fans have for a young team that's rebuilding rather than the tired energy we get from the team and fans now.

spkb25 12-30-2023 08:58 AM

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You all thought Sean left because he was bored. He was sick of the loomis every 4 years massive dead money 3 year rebuild. Didn't have the energy to keep doing it.

Loomis is your problem...him and his stupid contracts. Look how much dead money you have AGAIN.

Sinner 12-30-2023 11:51 AM

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You all thought Sean left because he was bored. He was sick of the loomis every 4 years massive dead money 3 year rebuild. Didn't have the energy to keep doing it.

Loomis is your problem...him and his stupid contracts. Look how much dead money you have AGAIN.

And if Loomis is the Problem, lovely lady Gayle is the problem. So that’s a big problem.

Rugby Saint II 12-30-2023 02:15 PM

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The Saints have had such an easy schedule that by now we should be considering resting our starters. Instead, we are outside looking in again hoping for another team to lose so that we can squeak in. I'm so sick of this time of year and mathematical probabilities that never work out in our favor.

It's not often that you get what you don't earn. Saints players will be watching the playoffs at home again this year. They can thank their coaches for their early vacation.

lee909 12-30-2023 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 989714)
They can thank their coaches for their early vacation.

As bad as coaching can be, they share a equal measure of the blame.

Sinner 12-30-2023 04:21 PM

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As bad as coaching can be, they share a equal measure of the blame.

And they’re all gettin paid.

SaintSproles 12-31-2023 04:02 PM

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What a disaster

Unreal

Now projected 15th in the draft order

Team is gonna stupidly draft Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy or Penix.

AsylumGuido 12-31-2023 04:13 PM

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What a disaster

Unreal

Now projected 15th in the draft order

Team is gonna stupidly draft Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy or Penix.

Damn. It'll really be a disaster if we win the Super Bowl, huh? The #32 pick? That would really suck.

:D

Sinner 12-31-2023 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990009)
Damn. It'll really be a disaster if we win the Super Bowl, huh? The #32 pick? That would really suck.

:D

SAINTS - 70

RAVENS - 6

BakoSaint 12-31-2023 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990009)
Damn. It'll really be a disaster if we win the Super Bowl, huh? The #32 pick? That would really suck.

:D

At a minimum it would be bittersweet because it would require a lot of other teams planes crashing.

SaintSproles 12-31-2023 06:12 PM

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