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Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by lee909 If its fix the offensive or defensive lines im fixing the offense line first. No point in having money thrown at Carr and bringing in a new OC if you can't keep your QB upright and ...

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Old 03-28-2024, 08:13 PM   #1
 
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Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt

Originally Posted by lee909 View Post
If its fix the offensive or defensive lines im fixing the offense line first. No point in having money thrown at Carr and bringing in a new OC if you can't keep your QB upright and we have seen enough that Carr isn't a QB thats going to stand up well when under pressure. All this comes down to bad drafts since 2017

Too early to tell on many of last years picks but Foskey is just looking again like whoever is scouting the DE needs to go. Davenport(vastly over paid in picks) and Turner.

On the plus side they can spot a good DB.

But not near enough production from top picks and not enough good finds in the mid/late rounds

Just because they have started games, doesn't mean they are a success either.

2018
Marcus Davenport
Tre'Quan Smith
Rick Leonard
Natrell Jamerson
Kamrin Moore
Boston Scott
Will Clapp

2019

Erik McCoy
C.J. Gardner-Johnson
Saquan Hampton
Alizé Mack
Kaden Elliss

2020
Cesar Ruiz
Zack Baun
Adam Trautman
Tommy Stevens

2021
Payton Turner
Pete Werner
Paulson Adebo
Ian Book
Landon Young
Kawaan Bake

2022
Chris Olave
Trevor Penning
Alontae Taylor
D'Marco Jackson
Jordan Jackson

2023
Bryan Bresee
Isaiah Foskey
Kendre Miller
Nick Saldiveri
Jake Haener
Jordan Howden
A.T. Perry
Simply by looking at this list is reason enough to know why we've regressed.

2018
Davenport should be quicker/better with only four fingers.
At least Boston Scott contributed, albeit on the Eagles.
2019
Ramz and CJ ...both solid contributors
2020
Ruiz... I guess.
2021
Werner, Adebo, and Landon
Better but still not good enough.
2022
Best class in a while, top to bottom. Every class needs to be more like this one.
2023
Ditto from above... is this a trend since SP left? Last two years?
Are we to expect a similar outcome this year?
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Old 03-28-2024, 10:25 PM   #2
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Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt

Originally Posted by SmashMouth View Post
Simply by looking at this list is reason enough to know why we've regressed.

2018
Davenport should be quicker/better with only four fingers.
At least Boston Scott contributed, albeit on the Eagles.
2019
Ramz and CJ ...both solid contributors
2020
Ruiz... I guess.
2021
Werner, Adebo, and Landon
Better but still not good enough.
2022
Best class in a while, top to bottom. Every class needs to be more like this one.
2023
Ditto from above... is this a trend since SP left? Last two years?
Are we to expect a similar outcome this year?
I disagree on 2022 and 2023 being a real improvement in drafting.

2019 is the best of those drafts. 5 picks that year due to the stupid Davenport deal. Also no 3rd or 6th due to other trades. We pick in the 2nd, 4th, 5th, and two 7ths. We come out with 3 quality starters in 5 picks: Erik McCoy is a pro bowl center, CJ Gardner Johnson has been to the playoffs 4 of his 5 nfl seasons, and Kaden Ellis is a quality starting linebacker.

2022 we traded an immense amount of future draft picks to secure two first round picks. To get an extra first rounded in 2022 we gave up our 2023 first rounder, and our 2024 2nd rounder. To trade up again for Olave we gave up 3rd and 4th round picks I believe. Trevor Penning has looked like a major bust so far. Olave looks like a good #1 receiver but not necessarily a world beater, he has 9 total TDs his first two seasons, has missed a game or two each year, had some issues with effort at times, and has not generally been a player to take over games per se. He is not known for blocking or moving the chains, but is a big play threat on a team without the oline to give the qb time to throw. He seems more like a receiver in the Brandin Cooks, Jaylen Waddle, Devonte Smith, Amari Cooper sort of tier than one of the major elite receivers like Jefferson, Chase, Hill, Adams, MT13 in his prime, Lamb, Brown, Evans, etc. When you consider all the assets we gave up in 2022, and we came away with Olave and Taylor, its not so impressive to me.

We did get back some of the picks we used to trade up in 2022 by trading Sean Payton in 2023. But I don't think thats a reason to ignore the costs.

I don't think we can call 2023 a good draft yet. We got a DT who is still a backup on our depth chart despite every sane person agreeing our starting DT's are very meh. He picked up a good amount of sacks for a part time DT but he has yet to play full time and show he can be well rounded and durable. Bragging about a pick before they start based on like 6 plays is ridiculous. The jury is still out on Bresee. Besides him, we finally found some value in the late rounds, but whiffed in the 2nd round with Foskey so far. Miller looked good in one game, but that was one game against a losing team in a game that was turning out to be meaningless where he averaged 5.6 yards. Thousands of NFL running backs who never became regular starters had one game where they averaged 5+ yards per carry for 70+ yards, so the jury is completely still out on Miller.
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