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It's baffling isn't it.

Makes me sick listening to Loomis drone on about his sheer blind love for this below average doucebag.

Loomis can go too. Glorified mathematician that has us in cap hell every year. Too spineless to make the correct calls.

What an A-hole

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Not going anywhere. You probably have to learn to deal with that reality and move on. Just saying, diz. But, do as you wish. :D

By the way, the cap isn't in hell. There's always far more than needed, it's just accounted for in a manner that confuses some.

:bng:

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Translation: “Hey Dizz, eat sh*t and enjoy it, just like me partner.”

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I wouldn't say Mickey Loomis is not going anywhere. He is probably going to the liquor store right now.

The team is in cap hell. A group of players openly defied the head coach on the field and we will be signing the vast majority of them to restructures that cement their place on the roster well into the future because we can't afford the dead cap to move on. Not to mention a our highest paid oline has a degenerative knee condition and will be back on a restructure, and we know our QB is mediocre and overpaid for his production but he will be back on a restucture. Our highest paid edge rusher had 2 sacks and publicly backed rebellion on the field, but he will be back on a restructure. We have more than enough cap to keep the band together, but no option to significantly break it up until they are the Rolling Stones age.

The manner in which our cap is accounted is not confusing. Simply put most teams do what they think is best for the team to compete and then explain it to fans. The Saints do what their salary cap situation allows, then make up excuses of why that was the best way to compete, when the truth is that a soft rebuild is increasingly impossible due to their cap situation. They just pretend they did not want the free agents they lose, pretend they don't want to replace one star with another (for example not signing a veteran tackle to replace Armstead), and pretend they believe in players who are clearly mediocre, washed, openly rebelling, etc, because the truth is they really have only two financial options with cap hell: pass the buck with the same general crew of aging players, or enter into a hard rebuild for at least 2 years and have to win with youth.

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yeah we are not in cap hell

We are just about to restructure the contracts of Carr,Ramczyk, and a number of 30+ year olds and make them uuncutable for at least another 2 or 3 years because its the best thing to do long term, not because its only thing to do

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Loomis either only does 1/2 assed homework or has a lazy lackey feed him his talking points. ALL of those coaches can contribute their successful turnaround to the same reason Sean Payton was successful. Making Loomis’s analogy perfect for Sean, not so much Dennis Allen.

Tom Landry - Started the franchise and brought in Staubach

Bill Belichick - Brought in Brady

Bill Walsh - Brought in Montana

Chuck Noll - Brought in Bradshaw

Sean Payton - Brought in Drew Brees



Dennis Allen - Brought in… Derek Carr

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:awe:

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Allen will ditch his visor and don a fedora so he can cosplay Coach Landry. :o

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I just hope DA realises how lucky he is to still have his job at the Saints!
I just don't get it! But hey, what do I know!
He'd better get is ass in gear next season and prove to me and all the other fans that wanted him gone that he's the guy to get us to the playoffs next season.
If he doesn't then he'll need to leave New Orleans under the cover of darkness! Lol! :-)

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There will be pain.

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Nothing about our cap situation confuses anyone.

"Kicking the can down the road" is all it is.

That's why we have the oldest roster in the NFL.

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And the Peckers with one of/if not the youngest.

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You do know that there is very little difference on average between the oldest and youngest rosters in the league, right? One of our oldest players, Demario Davis, just got named to the All Pro team. Not the bogus Pro Bowl, but first team Pro Bowl which means best at his position in the league.

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But he is 35 which means he should be expected to be much worse at his position when he is 37, and Dennis Allen is our coach for another year meaning we ain’t doing **** when he is 36.

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+1.

Saints were slow and played OLD on Sundays. QB, DE, LB & SS.

The youth movement is needed and necessary in NOLA.

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... on many levels.

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Heard people say the same thing when he was 33. And 31. I can see Davis being one of the best in the league at 40. He's something special.

Oh, and we'll do something next year. Dennis will once again have his best career year as the Saints coach. Loomis will cement his spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You and that sinner guy will be miserable. It's going to be so sweet. Happy days!

:D

Who Dat!!

:bng:

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THIS ^^^ is what happens when you mix LSD with your Xanax.

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We all cope differently ... nothing wrong with glass half full optimism ... at some point pragmatism takes hold. We'll all see at the end of the day. :bng:

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IMO both the Pack & Lions will be a tough out for years to come.

I don’t see either falling off anytime soon.

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Lions seemingly made the right call with Williams at RB. Or is our new OC going to show us differently?

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I think that we are done firing coaches until we get our new OC who may want to bring his own staff with him. Can't we just clone Payton and bring him in to run the offense? :wink:

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Oh, is he still here? Just checking…

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The Saints have talent. Keeping Allen around for another year is just another year of wasting that talent. He's not a bad guy. He's not a terrible coach. But there's nothing he excels at. He's not a good offensive guy. He's not a great defensive guy. He's not a great motivator. He's just not a good leader in any way shape or form. Next season will be at best the same. I predict worse.

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At least for me there's a lot of anticipation for the OC hire. It's not just our offense - it's that we are already operating from a big deficit with Allen at coach and just hope they hire someone that can offset some of it and instill some kind of a plan and direction.

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No promotions from within, hire someone from OUTSIDE of the building with new takes, new ideas.

Nothing "leftover" from Pete Carmichael.

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Payton with 2 less wins in his first year with way more talent and a harder schedule.

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Well to be fair, Dan Campbell came from that Payton/Carmichael era and he’s doing just fine.

I think it’s possible Curry can come in and be successful being he’s had experience around Saints and 49ers teams when they were coached well and successful. I just think that he needs to take some of that experience and put his own twist to things and see where it takes us. I just think it’s important to make it his own. I feel like promoting coaches in some ways is a crap shoot like drafting players. You think Dallas would’ve let Sean go if they knew what they had in him?


I understand your perspective, just looking at it from a different angle

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Acknowledged.

The thing about this Saints franchise as of late is that there has been no sense of urgency, the ability to change (roster & staff) & it shows on Sundays.... you see some organizations (Philly, Browns, Steelers, Bills etc) make it to the post season, yet fire everyone immediately after their playoff "run" ends. Yet I see the Saints miss (yet again) post season, no real changes to improve.

IMO the Saints should have been given Ronald Curry full reins for a legit OC audition after getting embarassed coming off a bye week.

How many times have I heard Loomis :rolleyes: claim that they are in "win now" mode? 3-4 years now. It ain't working boss. Try new things. McVay & Kyle Shanahan tree (Zac Robinson, Kubiak) would be a great place to start at OC. At this point, I don't see promoting from within as a long term solution.

Atlanta & Tampa (although the Bucs continue to find ways win in a terrible division) are going to get better but Dennis is still "chopping wood".

But I hear you brother.

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Great points and I agree with a lot of it, especially grabbing coaches from the Shanahan/ Kubiac tree. There’s a lot of success with those guys right now and gotta strike while the iron is hot. Just not completely opposed to promoting Curry as well…he may have something to offer. As far as Allen is concerned…well the results speak for themselves.

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My concern is is even getting a competent coach outside of the organization that would even want to come here and coach a Dennis Allen led team

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We appear to be being driven into a swamp, by design. Why? I do not know.

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But a competent OC might see it as a way to become the Saints HC once DA is fired.

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Maybe those actually in the business have a better understanding of Dennis Allen's worth as a head coach than all of us on the outside looking in. I'll guarantee you that they have a better point of view than I do and I'd be willing to bet they also have more insight than the rest of us, as well.

Then again, they might think he sucks too. :D

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Boy still gettin paid to barely move his pencil lips, and that’s about it.

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Maybe the people who hired Dennis Allen are more reluctant to admit hiring Dennis Allen was a mistake than the people who didn't hire Dennis Allen.

There is a difference between access / vantage point and smarts. The guy who built that Titan Submersible knew more about it than any of the outsiders or consultants who were concerned about its safety, but his additional information, access, and vantage point did not translate to a sound evaluation, because he also had the most biased view and the most invested in his previous course proving right and visionary, so he could not see the flaws because he had too much invested. The Saints front office, coaching staff, salary cap structure, and aging roster are kind of like the Titan Submersible. The guy who built it believes it can withstand pressures down to 4,000 meters, but outsiders see the warning signs and can hear the walls cracking after 3 straight years of league leading spending for mediocre results and an aging core.

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Uh, yeah, right.

:rolleyes:

Where do you come up with this crap?

:D

At least you are entertaining.

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Kind of dark analogy, but it’s makes a good point regardless.

I certainly hope that’s not the case, but I’m sure we’ll know more when the season begins.

Has anyone even heard of anyone even remotely interested in the OC job here? Or anyone the Saints are looking at?

Cause it’s quiet….too quiet. Lol!

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Klint Kubiak, Zac Robinson, Ronald Curry, and Mike Sullivan are among the names of those interviewed so far.

Edit: Here's an updated list of OC interviewees by the Saints:

- *Shane Waldron, Seahawks OC
- Zac Robinson, Rams QBs coach
- Dan Pitcher, Bengals QBs coach
- Jerrod Johnson, Texans QBs coach
- Klint Kubiak, 49ers pass game specialist
- Brian Griese, 49ers QBs coach
- Ronald Curry, Saints QBs coach

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We need a new Head Coach and a new GM… and most likely a new OWNER.