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TheOak 01-16-2024 12:42 PM

New Orleans Saints part ways with three assistant coaches
 
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Dennis Allen announced that the team has parted ways with Offensive Coordinator Pete Carmichael, Senior Offensive Assistant Bob Bicknell and Wide Receivers Coach Kodi Burns.

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papz 01-16-2024 12:43 PM

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Hardly surprising.

We're stuck.

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 12:44 PM

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mapcow 01-16-2024 12:48 PM

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When is DA leaving....?

rezburna 01-16-2024 12:50 PM

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I’m happy for the moment.

K Major 01-16-2024 12:50 PM

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The Saints fired a guy who didn't even want the job.

All we are doing is reshuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

Halo 01-16-2024 12:50 PM

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Goodbye Pete Carmichael....

https://www.profootballrumors.com/20...ete-carmichael

stickman 01-16-2024 12:50 PM

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Glad to see the move made at OC. I think this buys DA another year.

Mr. Carmichael, thank for your service, best of luck in the future.

Halo 01-16-2024 12:52 PM

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Is this where Gruden gets hired for OC??

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 12:54 PM

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Enter Bienemie?

TheOak 01-16-2024 12:57 PM

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While the three may have needed to go, the fact that DA is not on top of that list and is the one thanking Pete for 18 years is absolutely shocking and in poor taste.

18 loyal years and the person thanking you is the one that should have been held ultimately accountable for the teams performance.

I’m genuinely confused here. Does this mean we are or are not going to “continue doing what we are doing”?

papz 01-16-2024 12:57 PM

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I'm so intrigued to see who wants to attach their name to Dennis Allen.

TheOak 01-16-2024 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 991349)
I'm so intrigued to see who wants to attach their name to Dennis Allen.

Low hanging fruit always rises to the occasion.

neugey 01-16-2024 01:01 PM

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If the Cowboys fire McCarthy we should snatch him up as OC while his stock is low. Rejuvenate our offense and hopefully soon usurp Dennis Allen. I think McCarthy would do better in New Orleans which is not a pressure cooker market like Dallas.

K Major 01-16-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 991351)
If the Cowboys fire McCarthy we should snatch him up as OC while his stock is low. Rejuvenate our offense and hopefully soon usurp Dennis Allen. I think McCarthy would do better in New Orleans which is not a pressure cooker market like Dallas.

McCarthy ??

A SB winning coach coming off 3 straight 12 win seasons ain't coordinating nothing in NOLA.

jnormand 01-16-2024 01:07 PM

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I’m glad PC is gone.

We all knew DA was staying. But at least Pete is gone. Good grief he was awful.

jnormand 01-16-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 991347)
Enter Bienemie?

He’s probably gonna be looking for a HC gig. Doubt he comes here to be an OC.

GeauxForMore 01-16-2024 01:17 PM

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I'm happy PC is gone. The O was terrible. I did like what Burns did for the WR's. Olave had 1,000 yard, Shahid played big, AT Perry was coming along nicely so I wouldn't mind if we kept him around. Overall poor playing calling all around. Anyone know how many OC's Carr has gone through? Sooner or later you have to look at the QB and prepare for the future

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 991342)
I’m happy for the moment.


K Major 01-16-2024 01:26 PM

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Where is Dougie Marrone's pink slip?

That Oline has regressed. There is no way all of those former 1st/2nd rounders are that bad.

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 01:42 PM

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AsylumGuido 01-16-2024 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 991363)

Thomas wanted Carmichael gone. That is a certainty. This opens up his return. Kamara said much the same himself. Things are really looking up.

K Major 01-16-2024 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 991363)

I've never been a fan of players going back and forth with "tweets" but MT13 is spot on here.

His days in NOLA are probably done anyways.

mapcow 01-16-2024 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 991364)
Thomas wanted Carmichael gone. That is a certainty. This opens up his return. Kamara said much the same himself. Things are really looking up.

This coming from the master of mediocracy. :beatnik:

neugey 01-16-2024 02:03 PM

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Clearly the axe blades of Pete and these offensive assistants were dull and their piles of lumber too small for DA's wood chopping regimen.

papz 01-16-2024 02:14 PM

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Cost versus production. Do we really want Michael Thomas to return? Good luck to the rest of your career... somewhere else.

Danno 01-16-2024 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 991337)
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Dennis Allen announced that the team has parted ways with Offensive Coordinator Pete Carmichael, Senior Offensive Assistant Bob Bicknell and Wide Receivers Coach Kodi Burns.

Its a good move only if we hire someone better.

Its a step in the right direction at least. OC was a major problem all season long.

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 02:46 PM

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rezburna 01-16-2024 02:48 PM

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Mike McCarthy and Jon Gruden would bring in SB experience with similar West Coast schemes. That’s not what I want, but I understand if the organization would want that based on their track record.

I wouldn’t even want Eric Bienemy at this point as an OC. He deserves to at least get a shot at a HC gig and I’d hate to see him over making yet another lateral move.

I like Klint Kubiak. I like the idea of Ronald Curry getting a chance. Whatever we do, I just hope it’s the right move.

neugey 01-16-2024 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 991375)
Mike McCarthy and Jon Gruden would bring in SB experience with similar West Coast schemes. That’s not what I want, but I understand if the organization would want that based on their track record.


Maybe I'm operating on emotion a little bit here, but the aspect of hiring McCarthy or Gruden is the message bringing in a former Super Bowl winner sends to DA ... get your SHIp together because now we've got an over-qualified OC/interim hot and ready to take your seat. I very much like that.

Rugby Saint II 01-16-2024 03:21 PM

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How in the hell does Doug Marrone still have a job in New Orleans? Black Monday was yesterday! Some progress was made in pass protection along the O line as the year went on but the run game never got any better after a truly abysmal start to the season. Nick Saban fired him after one year and yet he's still here coaching a unit at the bottom of the NFL after two years. I just don't get it!

TheOak 01-16-2024 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 991371)
Its a good move only if we hire someone better.

Its a step in the right direction at least. OC was a major problem all season long.

The ability to hire someone better is where the gray is for me. Who do we have that is capable of that task?

Gayle and Loomis identified Jeff Ireland, Dennis Lauscha, Khai Harley, and Michael Parenton as those who selected Dennis Allen. Should we expect the same quality of a decision for these three spots as they have for HC? Who is left that has the knowledge and understanding to identify the building blocks of our future offense?

According to Loomis, Dennis was selected because of his “leadership skills, teaching skills, and football acumen”. None of which has been on display the last two seasons.

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 991384)
The ability to hire someone better is where the gray is for me. Who do we have that is capable of that task?

Gayle and Loomis identified Jeff Ireland, Dennis Lauscha, Khai Harley, and Michael Parenton as those who selected Dennis Allen. Should we expect the same quality of a decision for these three spots as they have for HC? Who is left that has the knowledge and understanding to identify the building blocks of our future offense?

According to Loomis, Dennis was selected because of his “leadership skills, teaching skills, and football acumen”. None of which has been on display the last two seasons.

Does Loomie get a piece of the Saints upon Gayle's passing? This rumor may point to his recent decision making.

Rugby Saint II 01-16-2024 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 991384)
The ability to hire someone better is where the gray is for me. Who do we have that is capable of that task?

Gayle and Loomis identified Jeff Ireland, Dennis Lauscha, Khai Harley, and Michael Parenton as those who selected Dennis Allen. Should we expect the same quality of a decision for these three spots as they have for HC? Who is left that has the knowledge and understanding to identify the building blocks of our future offense?

According to Loomis, Dennis was selected because of his “leadership skills, teaching skills, and football acumen”. None of which has been on display the last two seasons.



When Payton left, apparently he took the leadership role with him. At this point I believe that the front office could use some new blood there too to help bring in a fresh perspective.....especially in the draft room!

K Major 01-16-2024 03:39 PM

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FYI, former Saints RB coach Joel Thomas was hired by the Giants today.

SmashMouth 01-16-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 991388)
FYI, former Saints RB coach Joel Thomas was hired by the Giants today.


SmashMouth 01-16-2024 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 991388)
FYI, former Saints RB coach Joel Thomas was hired by the Giants today.

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 991390)


lee909 01-16-2024 04:19 PM

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I like that its all the assistants and co-ordinators that have been the issue and not the man in charge of them. I guess football is just like real life, never the top guys fault

K Major 01-16-2024 04:33 PM

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Texans OC Bobby Slowik (Shanahan coaching tree) - 36 years old
Joe Bleymaier (current KC passing coordinator) - 41 years of old

Go find a young, talented, out of the box thinkers. These guys are helping their respective teams compete in the post season.

Familiar names from yesteryear isn’t good enough in today’s NFL.

AsylumGuido 01-16-2024 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 991392)
I like that its all the assistants and co-ordinators that have been the issue and not the man in charge of them. I guess football is just like real life, never the top guys fault

When you are dependent upon a staff as deep as in the NFL that staff absolutely has responsibility. In the case of the Saints the top guy gave them their chance to fail. Now it's time to give a new batch the chance to succeed.


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