Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion

05-12-2024, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

In my opinion Peat was sabotaged by the Saints drafting him to play him out of position but as an occasional backup for his true position behind Armstead who was often injured. Peat has always been a decent left tackle. He can’t play right tackle because he cant adjust to the right side and is inconsistent as a guard because of his lanky build. So the plan was to play him out of position but occasionally rotate him to his true position just to keep him guessing. At left tackle last year he was decent, but if he is asked to play every position he will get hurt. At least he can play one more position than Penning though.

May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?

Boston Saint · 05-12-2024, 10:42 PM

Heard we signed Lucas Patrick to the O Line.

https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-agre...020632134.html

BakoSaint · 05-12-2024, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?

Perhaps I should say he was ‘set up to fail.’ He was a top left tackle prospect drafted #13 overall and the Saints invested all that in him, then expected him to play out of position at a less valuable position for no good reason, because they already had a left tackle and Mickey Loomis couldnt trafe back because its against his religion. But at the same time as forcing a top prospect to play out of position, the saints expected him to occasionally jump into his true position. I get it when some later pick whose ability is doubted is asked to change position, but if a player goes #13 overall the team that takes them should let them either play their natural position or a more valuable position. You shouldnt pick a player #13 overall and then force them to switch to a less valuable position and become a utility player who mops up for whatever position someone else is injured. It destroyed his confidence and development.

Crusader · 05-13-2024, 04:09 AM

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AsylumGuido · 05-13-2024, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Peat's salary was not sabotaged, however.

Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently?

Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently.

SmashMouth · 05-13-2024, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently?

Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently.

Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

AsylumGuido · 05-13-2024, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay.

SmashMouth · 05-13-2024, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay.

This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion.

Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint.

AsylumGuido · 05-13-2024, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion.

Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint.

The average fan doesn't pay the salaries. Billionaire owners pay the salaries with less than half the revenues they receive from mostly broadcasting rights. After limited taxes they pocket the rest. Players deserve every last penny they can get. They are the ones putting their bodies on the line for our entertainment and billions into the pockets of the owners. One could rightly argue that they are vastly underpaid. I honestly can't understand why any fan would have a reason to begrudge what any player gets paid any more than what any other person would begrudge whatever those of us are paid. It's none of their business as far as I can see, just as it's not really our business what the players get paid. At least that's the way I see it.

AsylumGuido · 05-13-2024, 02:45 PM

And, yes, ticket prices keep increasing but that has nothing to do with what players are getting paid. It continues to increase because we as fans are willing to pay more, not because it's needed for player compensation. That comes from the skyrocketing broadcast rights. More and more broadcast entities are getting into the fray wanting a piece of the live audiences. The bidding will continue to drive up the revenues even if tickets were free.

05-12-2024, 10:22 PM	#501
Threaded by Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,911 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by BakoSaint In my opinion Peat was sabotaged by the Saints drafting him to play him out of position but as an occasional backup for his true position behind Armstead who was often injured. Peat has always been a decent left tackle. He can’t play right tackle because he cant adjust to the right side and is inconsistent as a guard because of his lanky build. So the plan was to play him out of position but occasionally rotate him to his true position just to keep him guessing. At left tackle last year he was decent, but if he is asked to play every position he will get hurt. At least he can play one more position than Penning though. May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?
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05-12-2024, 10:42 PM	#502
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,911	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Heard we signed Lucas Patrick to the O Line. https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-agre...020632134.html Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-12-2024, 11:29 PM	#503
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,785	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by Boston Saint May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako? Perhaps I should say he was ‘set up to fail.’ He was a top left tackle prospect drafted #13 overall and the Saints invested all that in him, then expected him to play out of position at a less valuable position for no good reason, because they already had a left tackle and Mickey Loomis couldnt trafe back because its against his religion. But at the same time as forcing a top prospect to play out of position, the saints expected him to occasionally jump into his true position. I get it when some later pick whose ability is doubted is asked to change position, but if a player goes #13 overall the team that takes them should let them either play their natural position or a more valuable position. You shouldnt pick a player #13 overall and then force them to switch to a less valuable position and become a utility player who mops up for whatever position someone else is injured. It destroyed his confidence and development. Boston Saint likes this.
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05-13-2024, 08:00 AM	#505
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,531	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth Peat's salary was not sabotaged, however. Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently? Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently.

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05-13-2024, 10:17 AM	#506
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,202 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently? Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently. Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

05-13-2024, 11:48 AM	#507
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,531	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint. Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay.

05-13-2024, 02:06 PM	#508
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,202 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay. This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion. Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint.

05-13-2024, 02:37 PM	#509
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,531	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion. Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint. The average fan doesn't pay the salaries. Billionaire owners pay the salaries with less than half the revenues they receive from mostly broadcasting rights. After limited taxes they pocket the rest. Players deserve every last penny they can get. They are the ones putting their bodies on the line for our entertainment and billions into the pockets of the owners. One could rightly argue that they are vastly underpaid. I honestly can't understand why any fan would have a reason to begrudge what any player gets paid any more than what any other person would begrudge whatever those of us are paid. It's none of their business as far as I can see, just as it's not really our business what the players get paid. At least that's the way I see it. rezburna likes this.
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05-13-2024, 02:45 PM	#510
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,531	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion And, yes, ticket prices keep increasing but that has nothing to do with what players are getting paid. It continues to increase because we as fans are willing to pay more, not because it's needed for player compensation. That comes from the skyrocketing broadcast rights. More and more broadcast entities are getting into the fray wanting a piece of the live audiences. The bidding will continue to drive up the revenues even if tickets were free.