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10. TYRANN MATHIEU, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

Wins above replacement: 0.17

Mathieu has allowed just 16 receptions on throws into his primary coverage this season while coming away with three interceptions and a pair of pass breakups. His 75.0 PFF grade ranks 16th among safeties, while his 79.3 PFF coverage grade ranks 11th.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-10-most...he-2023-season


He was more than just okay. He does need a competent counterpart.

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Jordan Howden?

Small sample size but he looks the part to me.

Marcus Maye can kick rocks. Bad FA acquisition.

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A 49ers hire would probably make him the best coach on the team. :)

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A top target has emerged for one of the Saints' open offensive coaching positions

Spent time with the Niners & Jets. More importantly, he's from the Shanahan coaching tree.

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Interesting points from Nick and Mike.

Saints 9-8 (stuck in mediocrity) isn't in the same ball park as Houston & Packers 9-8 record (I completely agree)
Possibly moving on from Jamaal Williams.
Raising the bar @ LT in the draft. Possibly moving TP inside to guard.
Replinishing the roster with younger talent.
Mortgaging picks (moving up in the draft).

Saints have work to do.

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I absolutely want to see us move back a couple of draft picks and get an extra pick that way rather than mortgaging the future. If this doesn't go well I don't want some other team picking early that we trade with. We do have some players with trade value though.

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Sounds like Kubiak has decided to keep Barone as TE coach.

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FYI, Ronald Curry is no longer with the Saints organization.

Per Jeff Duncan

Edit - he didn’t stay unemployed long … now with the Bills.
Good luck to him.

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More changes to Kubiak's staff.

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Cool! Now we need a real QB, and a new Head Coach.

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When Loomis said we have the right people in the building, I was expecting for nothing to very little to change Even though it’s not the firings I wanted, it’s definitely a move in the right direction and I’m happy about that. Klint was the one I wanted and glad to have him, however I’m wondering how long will the offense take to come to fruition, especially with this amount of changes in not only scheme but coaching changes.

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I hope Kubiak kills all of that gadget trickeration, taking the QB out on 2nd down type stuff. It fooled no one.

When was the last time you saw Purdy or Mahomes come out for a play?

Change will be good @ OC.

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Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, and Jose Cuervo will still report to Mickey's office every morning at 6AM. That was all he ever meant by having the right people in the building.

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Taysom Hill turns 34 years old before the start of the 2024 season. His cap number is about $16 million if kept as is, $17 million dead cap if cut or traded, $8 million if restructured (with $19 million dead cap if cut the following year). A post-June-1 cut or trade does not help us get under the cap pre-June-1. Hill has been more effective as a runner or an edge receiver than over the middle, as he seems to lack the knack for making tough catches with a big hit incoming at the NFL level, that even many 'can't miss' tight end prospects turn out to lack. At his age and contract structure it will be hard to utilize him without the wildcat snaps and keep him healthy. Prior to the last 2 years, he was very injury prone throughout his college and pro career. Being utilized as a wildcat QB who rarely throws may have kept him healthier than being asked to sit in the pocket and risk big hits throwing more or being utilized as pure running back with less protections than a QB is afforded. As a running back it may be hard to keep him healthy and hard to get him snaps (Williams salary is guaranteed and financially we may have to restructure Kamara). As a receiver he its a crowded room with Olave, Shaheed, and Perry and at 34 he is bound to start losing speed. This will be a complicated situation. Our cap philosophy makes it hard to move on when a player may not fit a new scheme.

It's also very possible that Taysom Hill's utilization is a product of orders from the front office to justify his costly contract that we cannot afford to exit, not a strategy of any offensive coaching staff looking to maximize offense. Hill produces enough in the wildcat that his contract is not an obvious blunder to casual fans, it gives cover, even if when we take a step back it comes directly at the expense of dollars spent on other QBs, probably interrupts the offenses flow, and the money would have been much better spent on oline that elevates all QBs. Kubiak may have no choice but to continue playing Hill if he follows orders.

I don't think Hill's value on the open market would be quite $10 million. Perhaps more like $5 million, even with Payton, at his age. So its possible he could be convinced to take a pay cut, if the Saints restructure enough other players to make cutting him a credible threat, which is questionable that they can. He could also take a pay cut as part of a trade, or a pay cut could help facilitate a trade. But a trade before June 1 would likely cause the Saints too much cap hit. But if he is looking to play elsewhere he might just ask the team to cut him, which the team may be financially unable to afford with the dead cap, at least until post June 1, and may need a restructure before then to get under the cap. It's a complicated situation.

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Kubiak's first job needs to be finding the right O line coaches to implement his system. He likes mobile linemen who can block in space and on the run. We got better on the line as the season went on so there is some promise there. Maybe Penning and Saldiveri are ready to contribute. Bring in a good free agent and go get another lineman is one of the first two rounds and coach them up.

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Translation: The Saints have serious work to do this off season if they want to truly compete in 2024.

Browns, Eagles, Chiefs, Chargers, Rams are all on tap :o.

Not to mention divisional foe Atlanta won't suck forever & the Bucs continue to win even though they are in partial rebuild mode.

Yep, we have work to do.

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Monday mornings announcement that he officially signed on as the Saints OC is news worth waiting on.

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I saw an interesting stat recently. Every NFL team has replaced their Offensive Coordinator since the 2022 season.

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Kubiak had Purdy in SF. Haener and Purdy are not so dissimilar.

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We will need to lean on both light and dark powers to make that possibility a probability. 1,696 players in the NFL and by my calculations we need to start buying Voodoo dolls now as we will need 1,643. May as well start buying all the rosaries this planet can muster as we will need those also.

That’s just the low hanging fruit. :bng:

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Yup.

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Looking forward to seeing if the offense improves following this complete department overhaul. I think they should.

Does need to be said though, I don't want to hear "Carr is getting used to the new offense" as an excuse if he plays badly.

The guy has been in the league for 10 or 11 years now. He played very well down the stretch, but he needs to do it against playoff caliber teams, instead of stat padding against teams on our level.

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Carr is definitely used to change. He has now had six different head coaches and six different offensive coordinators in his career.

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CJ Stroud had to get used to a new head coach, new offensive coordinator, new team, new system, and newly playing in the NFL on one of its recently worst teams at 21 years old and it took him 1 week for his QB rating to surpass Carr's for the rest of the season in a tougher division with a tougher schedule. He did have some jitters when he threw his first interception in week 6. This is the class of QB we are competing against. No excuses. Carr is an old pro. If Stroud gets a week to adjust, Carr gets a quarter.

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I like the way you think Smash. We really have no idea what we have in Jake Haener after only one offseason as the #3 QB who practiced with third stringers. He didn't get any reps last year, so it's all guess work at this point. Nick Underhill said he looked really good in practice but overall he wasn't very accurate and didn't make the right reads.

It would be great if he could be the backup this year and we could focus our limited resources elsewhere in free agency. I was impressed with his Moxy and I want to see more of it. I understand that he's very smart and picks things up quickly. Kubiak might have a lot of success with either Carr or Haener. I'm hoping for success from both.

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See THIS ^^^ right here.

Texans simply found a way to get it done year 1.

Not to mention they drafted (2022, 2023) well.

No one cares (maybe 1 here) to hear the excuses from Carr’s camp :rolleyes:.

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Great move imo. Offense will be much improved. Carr will be who we expected him to be.

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That was my point when earliest of all maybe two/three games in the numbers were awful. As a veteran, like Brees was when he came in, except Carr was more of a veteran, he should have done more, adjusted more, plain performed much better. His performance definitely did not match his cap charge. It may still not match it. If there is zero improvement, will Kubiak have the courage to make a change at QB with the young Haener? Or will the football Gods make it such that the path will be made clear as it was in the case of the Whiners with their injury woes at QB.

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Him and Brock Bowers would go so well together.

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Brock Bowers will 90% be a bust. One tight end drafted in the first round since 1980 has been a great player: Tony Gonzalez. All the other great tight ends to enter the league since 1980 have come in later rounds: Gronk, Sharpe, Gates, Kelce, Graham, Whitten, Kittle, etc. Its an important position. A great TE makes a big difference. Bowers was great in college. But its not a position where college greatness predicts pro greatness. Some team is going to pass up a real difference maker and almost certainly get something in the range of Vernon Davis (ok, two pro bowls, decent player, but you would always rather have a star receiver) to Kellen Winslow Jr (rotting in jail). Once a person gets the glory and fame of coming into the league as a top 10 or so pick, they aren't going be to willing to take the hits over the middle from NFL linebackers and safeties that a later pick with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove will, and if by rare chance they are willing, one of those hits may break them.