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Now that the SB is over, let's talk about this. Ever since 2018 my eyes opened up and I never saw the game the same way I used to. It was like the scales were ripped off of my eyes.

What do I mean by rigged... The refs 100% control the flow and outcome of games. I know I will get a lot of flack for saying this, but it is what it is.

The NFL is nothing more than bread and circus. If you know your history, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Have a great day peeps.

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Just one example of many concerning "controlling the flow."

It takes time to pull your fandom out and just watch the game and observe. The refs aren't bad, they are actually very good a manipulating the outcomes of the game.

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Here is a wild stat for you on KC ...

"In 3 Super bowl wins, the Chiefs have had zero holding calls".

Yikes :mad:

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It’s even more miraculous considering how many times their QB changes direction in a play, and 0 holding penalties implies that no one’s hands got outside of the defenders pads.

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A hold can be called on virtually every play. That doesn't mean anything is rigged.

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I think there is definitely a strong bias in officiating. It may not be outright rigged but some teams do get the calls (not us) and some teams don't (us).

It was much worse in the 80's with San Fran.

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My whole problem with conspiracies is that it requires more than 2 people to pull one off. Also, in the end, someone gets pissed off and TELLS!

I know that in some games, there's definitely someone with their thumb on the scale. But I truly believe that these refs have ZERO balls when it comes to making these calls in a big game, because they don't want to get labeled as inserting themselves into the game (too much). The converse is the ref playing the 'see no evil' or even worse, the 'no blood, no foul' game. Catch 22.

With respect to calls or no calls... Damned if you do. Damned if you don't

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Bingo!!!!

It is virtually impossible to rig anything in the NFL for this very reason. Someone will talk. As leilung so accurately explains, when there are more than a couple of people involved it will be exposed. In this case there would have to be dozens, or even hundreds of people involved. No way it is blown up in short order.

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Yeah, I do believe there can be bias. Rigging, no. Bias, by all means.

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A person who appears absolutely certain about what they know nothing about, knows less than a person who knows that they know nothing.

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Right

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My neighbor is big on the NFL being rigged, however as I have explained to him you have to have a reason to rig it considering it is the most popular thing going in this country. Money is usually the biggest contributor to something being rigged, so with that in mind the NFL would be doing itself a favor by having the most popular team in the world in the Super Bowl more than once over the past 30 years. So if money is obviously not the driving force behind games being rigged what is the motivation for the NFL? If you cry conspiracy on everything it loses its luster.

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I heard that golf is rigged. Also soccer.

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You might consider that “money” has a LOT to do with the merger of a Pop Music Icon and her targeted market demographic, with Nickelodeon having its own booth at the SB, and the Pharmaceutical Companies and the Tech Companies advertising at the highest level in history of commercials, among other revenue generating interests, along with the hottest QB in the game right now, running a well balanced and well coached football team, who could afford to snore through the first half, and then patiently win by three at the end of the game, keeping all targeted market demographics at the edge of their seats for all of the commercials… Money IS obviously the driving force, and conspiracy has all the shiny new luster it needs, without even looking at the officiating.

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My two cents - I think there is bias and flourishes of intrusion. But the NFL business has become so big and unwieldy I don't think it could be rigged full stop. For example, Madden which has had the exclusive video game license for nearly 20 years, is a bug-infested mess and has all the appeal of stale toilet water. They continue to be tone deaf on the officiating issues. And they're silly enough to think that having games overseas and doing these streaming shenanigans is the key to financial prosperity. When the real answer is simpler and has been staring them in the face (expanding to 36 teams).

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The league has no bias. The league can be selective on which team gets favor and when but there is no bias. The league follows the money trail.

I know that zero bias sounds counter intuitive but after you consider what/whom the league is, you’ll understand. The league is not Roger Goodell, Rodger is the commissioner figure head. The league is 32 owners that make up a carefully crafted trade association. To say that the league has bias is to say that some owners prefer teams other than their own which is counter productive.

The league is also not boxing and a fix is nearly impossible with the number of people that would have to be in on it. What the league does is meet each year and determine which outcome would bring the most financial benefit then nudge things throughout the season.

Purely hypothetical business case.
Organically the league would bring in 900BN in 2024.
With successful nudging the league would bring in 1.2T in 2024.
Either way it’s a win as they will meet their revenue goals but a successful nudging program would mean incentive bonuses to the owners.

This is the only way you’d get owners to agree to their team being nudged out.

This program is successful because most fans (fandom = pure bias) can’t fathom a pure revenue and compensation centric approach.


I’ll wager 2 years salary that every Ref has an NDA in place.

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The NFL is a league not a sport, apples to oranges.

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Ok I heard the PGA / LIV Golf and FIFA are rigged.

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I’ve got to hear how the PGA is rigged.

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Did you know?

NFL hires 21 full-time game officials for 2017 season - NFL.com (Just the 2017 season)


Bias:
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.


If the NFL know officials with Bias towards certain teams have their crews assigned to games in which one of those "Certain Teams" are playing?

Wouldn't that be a form of "RIGGING"? "A Rose by any other name" @-->------

Nothing will convince me that the "NON CALL" in 2019 wasn't AN ORDER!!

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Salient points made. ^^^

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I want to hear this, myself. But, then again, considering the source ...

:doh:

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There would be lots of easy ways to do it. Remotely controlled electromagnet or gyroscope in the ball. Buried device in the tee box that creates a subtle imperceptible vibration as the ball is being hit. Swapped clubs with a weight imbalance.

You can have a lot of conspiracies about the NFL, but golf literally just got taken over by a foreign government in a forced merger. The champions wear weird green jackets like some secret society. They tour a series of exclusive private clubs owned by reclusive ivy league billionaires. Every player is a walking endorsement covered in branded gear with big logos and brand names everywhere. Each player is allowed to use their own ball while in the NFL a few psi in cold weather leads to fines. They never touch the ball with their bare hands only equipment they also provide which creates a lot more opportunity to rig events than the NFL where its body to body and hand to ball pure skill. And besides gambling, every golf match is played for a giant prize so there is even more incentive to rig matches. And while many NFL games are closely matched and there is not much money to make fixing matches for gambling, every golf event has 100-1 and 1000-1 underdogs.

I am just observing that a conspiracy to rig golf seems more likely.

Remember that there is very little history of major professional team sports being rigged. What has been rigged a lot in history? Quiz shows. Fancy individual sports like the Tour De France where many repeat champions doped. Chess is awash in cheating scandals. Figure skating where the olympics was influenced by an assault. So I think cheating and rigging are more likely in golf than football, its these fancy yale skull and bones types who are more likely to rig stuff, and they like golf.

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:lolup:

I knew this would be good!

:roflmao: :rofl: :roflmao: :rofl:

:popcorn: :jester: :doh:

:crazy: :hallucinate:

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When one realizes that History itself has been rigged, one can begin to see how conspiracy “theories” become conspiracy reality. When one doesn’t realize that History is written by Victors and Controllers of great power and wealth, one continues to look at the world through the same Quido-Rose colored glasses that make Saints Game Losses so much fun.

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Fact- NFL refs are part of a union.

They cannot be fined for bad calls/ no calls. They can be removed from playoff games or the SB.

With the influx of betting, the leagues "integrity" has all but gone away. While I do see the argument of pulling off such a massive stunt without spilling the beans, I also seethe league for what it is.

ESPN laid off a lot of people to fire up ESPN BET. Why?

Follow the money folks.

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While I'm not going to say rigged, there seem like too many plays where Mahomes will be allowed to scramble or step up into the pocket because of a missed holding call. I don't know if there is just some way he approaches the pocket that confuses refs or what, but they are missing holds when he's out there at a higher rate.

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They're likely being slightly distracted by watching Mahomes and his magic. Holding is hard enough to see in real time in a crowd even when you are looking for it. Of course, you can go to an "eye in the sky" system, but that'll probably result in holding being called on every play. We all know it occurs on every play somewhere on the field.

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Okay, just for fun, I will chime in here.

As far as the refs go, I would lean towards bias before rigging. Mainly because no matter what the refs do, it's still on the players to perform. To actually catch the ball, to make the field goal, to not fumble, to tackle, etc. And yes I understand that the refs can call or ignore a penalty on a big play, but it is still on the players to make that big play.

But that's just the opinion of an old guy on his sofa, so what does it mean? :)

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Old guys on sofas have the advantage of many years of perspective and the time to accurately apply it.

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In all seriousness, I kid around about golf. But I think its a legitimate question to ask why football must be the sport that is rigged. It does seem easier to rig a slow one player sport without a lot of moving parts, if you had to rig something. I just don't like golf or soccer much as serious mens athletic sports because I think they are kind of sissy. I could play them, but that also makes them kind of lame that people pay a lot to watch that is low intensity and sort of boring if you aren't the one playing it. Football is interesting enough on its own, it does not need manufactured drama. Golf and Soccer definitely do.

I agree that the NFL is biased not rigged. I think the refs give other teams the benefit of the doubt against the Saints because they feel the Saints fans and team challenged their authority and sacred brotherhood when we gave them grief about the no call. They feel they are the hardest workers in America and every fan and player should thank them and kiss their boots for getting out of bed in the morning and gracing them their benevolent services.

Long term I would like to see sports officiated by open sourced AI code where any fan could download the code, feed in the same game footage and data that was broadcast live to subscribers, and their computer would make the same call on any given play that was made in the game by the AI live. To rig the officiating in that kind of system, someone would have to edit 10 camera of video footage in real time while it is being broadcast out. The way technology is going, AI officiating could be very feasible in 10 years and as long as the code is open, it would be perfectly fair, and while close calls would still occur there would never be bias.

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:rolleyes:

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sure it does..... the refs decide when to call it. :beatnik:

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especially when they ignore.... are claim to... :beatnik:

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.....posting a rumor about food poisoning for a QB was just as hysterical. :beatnik:

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Idk about rigged but we missed the Super Bowl on the worst no call ever after the bs bountygate . There were several other games they robbed us on so there is 100% bias.

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I believe that was more incompetence than bias. The officials were so scared to throw a flag fearing they would be blamed for affecting the outcome of the game that they ended up doing exactly what they were so fearful of doing.

I found it interesting when I read recently that the same crew has never called another Saints game to this day. Perhaps the league isn't totally blind.

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Well, I would understand if those guys didn't want to come back to New Orleans. I'm thinking a mix of shame and fear.

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I don't believe it is up to them. The league's making that call. The NFL probably doesn't want the reaction from the crowd. It would be relentless.