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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by SmashMouth Are we getting a compensatory pick as a result ? No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into ...

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Old 03-13-2024, 08:13 AM   #1
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Are we getting a compensatory pick as a result ?
No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into the compensatory formula which balances additions against subtractions and factors in the terms of the player's new contracts.
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No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into the compensatory formula which balances additions against subtractions and factors in the terms of the player's new contracts.
The other end of contract FAs that sign/signed elsewhere, like Hendrickson, we didn't get a compensatory pick?
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Old 03-17-2024, 04:15 PM   #3
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The other end of contract FAs that sign/signed elsewhere, like Hendrickson, we didn't get a compensatory pick?
He would have counted toward the overall formula. You don't get compensatory picks based upon the free agent lost itself. The picks are based upon a combination of end of contract free agents lost, free agents added, their individual new contracts, and playing time. That's why we never know the exact picks being awarded until well after the season has ended.

Look at it as a qualified accounting balance sheet with debits and credits but weighted by contracts given and playing time.
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Old 03-18-2024, 01:09 AM   #4
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Guido is right but worded it somewhat awkwardly. He wouldnt count as an end of contract free agent because he wasn’t one. His contract didnt end with its final year. It didn’t automatically void. It may have been planned to end but it was not automatic and the nfl rules dont read tea leaves. His contract had some crazy trigger to pay him $100 million or whatever if we didnt cut him, so we did cut him, and designated him a post june 1 cut. Same deal with Michael Thomas. Cut players dont count toward the comp pick formulas. Their creative contracts were a double edged sword, allowing us to to designate them post june 1 cuts and spread out dead cap but preventing us from gaining comp picks, versus what it would have been if the contracts had been allowed to expire normally or void automatically. While not exact the formulas are very predictable and we will know before the start of the season what comp picks to expect next year with just the slight possibility that one pick could be a little higher or lower. Signing Derek Carr didnt count against us either, we signed the most overpriced free agent and still got comp picks because the Raiders cut him.
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Guido is right but worded it somewhat awkwardly. He wouldnt count as an end of contract free agent because he wasn’t one. His contract didnt end with its final year. It didn’t automatically void. It may have been planned to end but it was not automatic and the nfl rules dont read tea leaves. His contract had some crazy trigger to pay him $100 million or whatever if we didnt cut him, so we did cut him, and designated him a post june 1 cut. Same deal with Michael Thomas. Cut players dont count toward the comp pick formulas. Their creative contracts were a double edged sword, allowing us to to designate them post june 1 cuts and spread out dead cap but preventing us from gaining comp picks, versus what it would have been if the contracts had been allowed to expire normally or void automatically. While not exact the formulas are very predictable and we will know before the start of the season what comp picks to expect next year with just the slight possibility that one pick could be a little higher or lower. Signing Derek Carr didnt count against us either, we signed the most overpriced free agent and still got comp picks because the Raiders cut him.
I tried to word it so the reader wouldn't have to wade through 8000 words of editorial crap to get to a simple explanation.
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No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into the compensatory formula which balances additions against subtractions and factors in the terms of the player's new contracts.
The benefit with Thomas, is he will be gone, and an even better receiver will take his slot.
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A couple of more notes on compensatory picks. Along with average contract pay per year the percentage of snaps played (playing time I mentioned earlier) factors into the formula. There is also a limit of four per team. But more importantly, only 32 compensatory picks are given (except for very rare circumstances). Post-season awards or honors are also factored into the formula. The total of all eligible picks are finally ranked based upon all factors and ONLY the top 32 are awarded. Therefore, if a team had a qualifying balance which would normally result in picks they would not receive any if ranked 33 or lower. That's why you never know the full extent of compensatory picks until after the season when when all factors are known.
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A couple of more notes on compensatory picks. Along with average contract pay per year the percentage of snaps played (playing time I mentioned earlier) factors into the formula. There is also a limit of four per team. But more importantly, only 32 compensatory picks are given (except for very rare circumstances). Post-season awards or honors are also factored into the formula. The total of all eligible picks are finally ranked based upon all factors and ONLY the top 32 are awarded. Therefore, if a team had a qualifying balance which would normally result in picks they would not receive any if ranked 33 or lower. That's why you never know the full extent of compensatory picks until after the season when when all factors are known.
That's another explanation for the RG factor, bless his heart
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