Saints turning the Page on Winston

SmashMouth · 03-17-2024, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into the compensatory formula which balances additions against subtractions and factors in the terms of the player's new contracts.

The other end of contract FAs that sign/signed elsewhere, like Hendrickson, we didn't get a compensatory pick?

AsylumGuido · 03-17-2024, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The other end of contract FAs that sign/signed elsewhere, like Hendrickson, we didn't get a compensatory pick?

He would have counted toward the overall formula. You don't get compensatory picks based upon the free agent lost itself. The picks are based upon a combination of end of contract free agents lost, free agents added, their individual new contracts, and playing time. That's why we never know the exact picks being awarded until well after the season has ended.

Look at it as a qualified accounting balance sheet with debits and credits but weighted by contracts given and playing time.

BakoSaint · 03-18-2024, 01:09 AM

Guido is right but worded it somewhat awkwardly. He wouldnt count as an end of contract free agent because he wasn’t one. His contract didnt end with its final year. It didn’t automatically void. It may have been planned to end but it was not automatic and the nfl rules dont read tea leaves. His contract had some crazy trigger to pay him $100 million or whatever if we didnt cut him, so we did cut him, and designated him a post june 1 cut. Same deal with Michael Thomas. Cut players dont count toward the comp pick formulas. Their creative contracts were a double edged sword, allowing us to to designate them post june 1 cuts and spread out dead cap but preventing us from gaining comp picks, versus what it would have been if the contracts had been allowed to expire normally or void automatically. While not exact the formulas are very predictable and we will know before the start of the season what comp picks to expect next year with just the slight possibility that one pick could be a little higher or lower. Signing Derek Carr didnt count against us either, we signed the most overpriced free agent and still got comp picks because the Raiders cut him.

AsylumGuido · 03-18-2024, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Guido is right but worded it somewhat awkwardly. He wouldnt count as an end of contract free agent because he wasn’t one. His contract didnt end with its final year. It didn’t automatically void. It may have been planned to end but it was not automatic and the nfl rules dont read tea leaves. His contract had some crazy trigger to pay him $100 million or whatever if we didnt cut him, so we did cut him, and designated him a post june 1 cut. Same deal with Michael Thomas. Cut players dont count toward the comp pick formulas. Their creative contracts were a double edged sword, allowing us to to designate them post june 1 cuts and spread out dead cap but preventing us from gaining comp picks, versus what it would have been if the contracts had been allowed to expire normally or void automatically. While not exact the formulas are very predictable and we will know before the start of the season what comp picks to expect next year with just the slight possibility that one pick could be a little higher or lower. Signing Derek Carr didnt count against us either, we signed the most overpriced free agent and still got comp picks because the Raiders cut him.

I tried to word it so the reader wouldn't have to wade through 8000 words of editorial crap to get to a simple explanation.

03-17-2024, 02:41 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,131 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into the compensatory formula which balances additions against subtractions and factors in the terms of the player's new contracts. The other end of contract FAs that sign/signed elsewhere, like Hendrickson, we didn't get a compensatory pick?

03-17-2024, 04:15 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston Originally Posted by SmashMouth The other end of contract FAs that sign/signed elsewhere, like Hendrickson, we didn't get a compensatory pick? He would have counted toward the overall formula. You don't get compensatory picks based upon the free agent lost itself. The picks are based upon a combination of end of contract free agents lost, free agents added, their individual new contracts, and playing time. That's why we never know the exact picks being awarded until well after the season has ended. Look at it as a qualified accounting balance sheet with debits and credits but weighted by contracts given and playing time. SmashMouth likes this.

03-18-2024, 01:09 AM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,439	Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston Guido is right but worded it somewhat awkwardly. He wouldnt count as an end of contract free agent because he wasn’t one. His contract didnt end with its final year. It didn’t automatically void. It may have been planned to end but it was not automatic and the nfl rules dont read tea leaves. His contract had some crazy trigger to pay him $100 million or whatever if we didnt cut him, so we did cut him, and designated him a post june 1 cut. Same deal with Michael Thomas. Cut players dont count toward the comp pick formulas. Their creative contracts were a double edged sword, allowing us to to designate them post june 1 cuts and spread out dead cap but preventing us from gaining comp picks, versus what it would have been if the contracts had been allowed to expire normally or void automatically. While not exact the formulas are very predictable and we will know before the start of the season what comp picks to expect next year with just the slight possibility that one pick could be a little higher or lower. Signing Derek Carr didnt count against us either, we signed the most overpriced free agent and still got comp picks because the Raiders cut him.
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03-18-2024, 08:38 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston Originally Posted by BakoSaint Guido is right but worded it somewhat awkwardly. He wouldnt count as an end of contract free agent because he wasn’t one. His contract didnt end with its final year. It didn’t automatically void. It may have been planned to end but it was not automatic and the nfl rules dont read tea leaves. His contract had some crazy trigger to pay him $100 million or whatever if we didnt cut him, so we did cut him, and designated him a post june 1 cut. Same deal with Michael Thomas. Cut players dont count toward the comp pick formulas. Their creative contracts were a double edged sword, allowing us to to designate them post june 1 cuts and spread out dead cap but preventing us from gaining comp picks, versus what it would have been if the contracts had been allowed to expire normally or void automatically. While not exact the formulas are very predictable and we will know before the start of the season what comp picks to expect next year with just the slight possibility that one pick could be a little higher or lower. Signing Derek Carr didnt count against us either, we signed the most overpriced free agent and still got comp picks because the Raiders cut him. I tried to word it so the reader wouldn't have to wade through 8000 words of editorial crap to get to a simple explanation.