Chase Young to undergo neck procedure

AsylumGuido · 03-20-2024, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

As you have dealt with your cervical neck issues over the past decade, how many weeks would you say that you could have been an effective NFL starter capable of contributing enough on pass rushing downs in excess of the base contribution of Cameron Jordan or Carl Granderson in order to provide $13 million per season of added value?

While the Saints doctors and gambling GM may know more than we do, they also knew more than we did about Thomas, Penning, Turner, Davenport, Moreau, DeShaun Watson, and many players going back to Byrd and Fairley, and their knowledge has not translated into good decisions on injured players since the 2006 offseason. There are also 31 other teams in the NFL who passed on Young or offered less, and based on track records most of them know more about avoiding injured players than the Saints.

If the procedure was minimally invasive, why are they saying Young will miss part of training camp and making no guarantees about the start of the season? This is not a guy who recovered fast from an ACL, missing the better part of 2 years.

If you want to play the inside knowledge card, no other team knows as much as we do about Cameron Jordan's ankle, how much it contributed to his decline in 2023, how much of his decline was more a factor of age, and how well his ankle is recovering to expect a boost or further drop in production in 2024. We don't know what they know, but we do know that their largest expenditure in free agency so far has been a pass rushing DE that recorded a similar or lesser sack total in 2023 than what Jordan has recorded when fully healthy, and that they saw this as the most important addition to make in free agency despite that player having serious enough injury concerns of his own to warrant special contract language. It would be reasonable to infer that the addition of Young makes the most sense if the prognosis on Jordan's contribution to the pass rush in 2024 is poor and the team believes Jordan's decline in 2023 was real and permanent not the PR line about an ankle to cover for the bad contract. If Jordan was about to come back to form in 2024 with 8-10 sacks, no way is Young and his 7.5 sacks and a neck surgery our top priority in free agency.

I am glad we have guarantees against injury. Hopefully they are good guarantees.

Why is it that everything you post turns into management bashing? That's why I call it crap. A few mentions here or there is opinion. Hundreds of mentions reflects an ongoing obsession. Going the same place in 98% of posts over two plus years just becomes unreadable crap.

Nothing personal. Just my opinion. And undoubtedly others, as well, from what I have come to understand.

Sinner · 03-20-2024, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why is it that everything you post turns into management bashing? That's why I call it crap. A few mentions here or there is opinion. Hundreds of mentions reflects an ongoing obsession. Going the same place in 98% of posts over two plus years just becomes unreadable crap.

Nothing personal. Just my opinion. And undoubtedly others, as well, from what I have come to understand.

Maybe because what you call “management”, has us in a state of broken “rebuilding” which just culminated in us not even winning the freaking NFC SOUTH. Just like calling what Bako writes “unreadable crap”, and then, you read it again and again and again. Just like your definition of SET TO IGNORE. Just like you being quoted as saying, “Winning championships is not the goal”. And you expect to be taken seriously?

AsylumGuido · 03-20-2024, 03:36 PM

Just a wild guess, but the procedure could be something along the lines of the following:

Cervical foraminotomy is a surgical procedure done to relieve the symptoms of a pinched nerve by enlarging the neural foramen, and it can be performed in a minimally invasive way. The neural foramen is an opening where nerve roots exit the spine and travel throughout the body.

The timeline for recovery sounds pretty much in line with what we're hearing. It says several weeks to return to normal activity for the average patient. I'd imagine getting back in playing shape for an athlete might be a bit longer so the 3-4 months that I read for Young seems reasonable.

The stinger that he reportedly suffered could have been a pinched nerve instead.

Sinner · 03-20-2024, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just a wild guess, but the procedure could be something along the lines of the following:

Cervical foraminotomy is a surgical procedure done to relieve the symptoms of a pinched nerve by enlarging the neural foramen, and it can be performed in a minimally invasive way. The neural foramen is an opening where nerve roots exit the spine and travel throughout the body.

The timeline for recovery sounds pretty much in line with what we're hearing. It says several weeks to return to normal activity for the average patient. I'd imagine getting back in playing shape for an athlete might be a bit longer so the 3-4 months that I read for Young seems reasonable.

The stinger that he reportedly suffered could have been a pinched nerve instead.

And the Saints “could” win a Super Bowl, possibly under new ownership and management, maybe a decade from now…

But then again, “Winning championships is not the goal”.

K Major · 03-22-2024, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

When you hear "neck procedure" it's never good, not even for chess or backgammon..... i don't give 2 sh*ts what anyone says

Right.

Albert Grier reported that the recovery for this "procedure" is 3-4 months

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So basically we are looking at the beginning to middle part of training camp.

saintsfan1976 · 03-23-2024, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Right.

Albert Grier reported that the recovery for this "procedure" is 3-4 months .

So basically we are looking at the beginning to middle part of training camp.

I'm fine with it IF we draft a DE early.

K Major · 03-25-2024, 03:53 PM

Speaking of another DE & surgery ...

Saints defensive end Cam Jordan underwent surgery for troublesome ankle.

Jordan has had a brilliant career however father time is knocking.

Here's the latest.

leilung · 03-26-2024, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Speaking of another DE & surgery ...

Saints defensive end Cam Jordan underwent surgery for troublesome ankle.

Jordan has had a brilliant career however father time is knocking.

Here's the latest.

Father Time is the ultimate GOAT! He aolways wins.

AsylumGuido · 03-26-2024, 08:46 AM

BakoSaint · 03-26-2024, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Speaking of another DE & surgery ...

Saints defensive end Cam Jordan underwent surgery for troublesome ankle.

Jordan has had a brilliant career however father time is knocking.

Here's the latest.

This is very interesting because it gives details that Cam's ankle injury happened in the Saints 11th game of the season on 11/26. Through 10 games Cam had 2 sacks, he was on pace for 3.5 sacks for the year, but the injury kept him at 2 sacks as he had none after the injury. Again, this is why I am skeptical of the narrative that Cam's decline is based on injury and we can expect him to bounce back this year. Usually when players have a major decline one year at that age they continue to decline the next year, and usually when they have a minor injury at that age they have a minor or worse injury the next year, but if Cam held steady but stayed injury free, we would expect 3.5 sacks. Cam having surgery to correct an injury that he was already struggling on pace for 3.5 sacks before, and the Saints making their biggest free agent move on a risky player to fill in for Cam, those are both bad news for Cam's status.

03-20-2024, 02:30 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Originally Posted by BakoSaint As you have dealt with your cervical neck issues over the past decade, how many weeks would you say that you could have been an effective NFL starter capable of contributing enough on pass rushing downs in excess of the base contribution of Cameron Jordan or Carl Granderson in order to provide $13 million per season of added value? While the Saints doctors and gambling GM may know more than we do, they also knew more than we did about Thomas, Penning, Turner, Davenport, Moreau, DeShaun Watson, and many players going back to Byrd and Fairley, and their knowledge has not translated into good decisions on injured players since the 2006 offseason. There are also 31 other teams in the NFL who passed on Young or offered less, and based on track records most of them know more about avoiding injured players than the Saints. If the procedure was minimally invasive, why are they saying Young will miss part of training camp and making no guarantees about the start of the season? This is not a guy who recovered fast from an ACL, missing the better part of 2 years. If you want to play the inside knowledge card, no other team knows as much as we do about Cameron Jordan's ankle, how much it contributed to his decline in 2023, how much of his decline was more a factor of age, and how well his ankle is recovering to expect a boost or further drop in production in 2024. We don't know what they know, but we do know that their largest expenditure in free agency so far has been a pass rushing DE that recorded a similar or lesser sack total in 2023 than what Jordan has recorded when fully healthy, and that they saw this as the most important addition to make in free agency despite that player having serious enough injury concerns of his own to warrant special contract language. It would be reasonable to infer that the addition of Young makes the most sense if the prognosis on Jordan's contribution to the pass rush in 2024 is poor and the team believes Jordan's decline in 2023 was real and permanent not the PR line about an ankle to cover for the bad contract. If Jordan was about to come back to form in 2024 with 8-10 sacks, no way is Young and his 7.5 sacks and a neck surgery our top priority in free agency. I am glad we have guarantees against injury. Hopefully they are good guarantees. Why is it that everything you post turns into management bashing? That's why I call it crap. A few mentions here or there is opinion. Hundreds of mentions reflects an ongoing obsession. Going the same place in 98% of posts over two plus years just becomes unreadable crap. Nothing personal. Just my opinion. And undoubtedly others, as well, from what I have come to understand.

03-20-2024, 03:15 PM	#32
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,815	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why is it that everything you post turns into management bashing? That's why I call it crap. A few mentions here or there is opinion. Hundreds of mentions reflects an ongoing obsession. Going the same place in 98% of posts over two plus years just becomes unreadable crap. Nothing personal. Just my opinion. And undoubtedly others, as well, from what I have come to understand. Maybe because what you call “management”, has us in a state of broken “rebuilding” which just culminated in us not even winning the freaking NFC SOUTH. Just like calling what Bako writes “unreadable crap”, and then, you read it again and again and again. Just like your definition of SET TO IGNORE. Just like you being quoted as saying, “Winning championships is not the goal”. And you expect to be taken seriously?
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03-20-2024, 03:36 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Just a wild guess, but the procedure could be something along the lines of the following: Cervical foraminotomy is a surgical procedure done to relieve the symptoms of a pinched nerve by enlarging the neural foramen, and it can be performed in a minimally invasive way. The neural foramen is an opening where nerve roots exit the spine and travel throughout the body. The timeline for recovery sounds pretty much in line with what we're hearing. It says several weeks to return to normal activity for the average patient. I'd imagine getting back in playing shape for an athlete might be a bit longer so the 3-4 months that I read for Young seems reasonable. The stinger that he reportedly suffered could have been a pinched nerve instead.
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03-20-2024, 04:12 PM	#34
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,815	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just a wild guess, but the procedure could be something along the lines of the following: Cervical foraminotomy is a surgical procedure done to relieve the symptoms of a pinched nerve by enlarging the neural foramen, and it can be performed in a minimally invasive way. The neural foramen is an opening where nerve roots exit the spine and travel throughout the body. The timeline for recovery sounds pretty much in line with what we're hearing. It says several weeks to return to normal activity for the average patient. I'd imagine getting back in playing shape for an athlete might be a bit longer so the 3-4 months that I read for Young seems reasonable. The stinger that he reportedly suffered could have been a pinched nerve instead. And the Saints “could” win a Super Bowl, possibly under new ownership and management, maybe a decade from now… But then again, “Winning championships is not the goal”.
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03-22-2024, 09:53 AM	#35
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Originally Posted by bobdog86 When you hear "neck procedure" it's never good, not even for chess or backgammon..... i don't give 2 shts what anyone says Right. Albert Grier reported that the recovery for this "procedure" is 3-4 months* . So basically we are looking at the beginning to middle part of training camp. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Originally Posted by K Major Right. Albert Grier reported that the recovery for this "procedure" is 3-4 months . So basically we are looking at the beginning to middle part of training camp. I'm fine with it IF we draft a DE early. Danno likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Speaking of another DE & surgery ... Saints defensive end Cam Jordan underwent surgery for troublesome ankle. Jordan has had a brilliant career however father time is knocking. Here's the latest.

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03-26-2024, 10:13 AM	#40
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,087	Re: Chase Young to undergo neck procedure Originally Posted by K Major Speaking of another DE & surgery ... Saints defensive end Cam Jordan underwent surgery for troublesome ankle. Jordan has had a brilliant career however father time is knocking. Here's the latest. This is very interesting because it gives details that Cam's ankle injury happened in the Saints 11th game of the season on 11/26. Through 10 games Cam had 2 sacks, he was on pace for 3.5 sacks for the year, but the injury kept him at 2 sacks as he had none after the injury. Again, this is why I am skeptical of the narrative that Cam's decline is based on injury and we can expect him to bounce back this year. Usually when players have a major decline one year at that age they continue to decline the next year, and usually when they have a minor injury at that age they have a minor or worse injury the next year, but if Cam held steady but stayed injury free, we would expect 3.5 sacks. Cam having surgery to correct an injury that he was already struggling on pace for 3.5 sacks before, and the Saints making their biggest free agent move on a risky player to fill in for Cam, those are both bad news for Cam's status. Danno likes this.
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