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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why the book posts, Bako? Why not release it in chapters? Netflix approach....

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Old 05-11-2024, 07:30 PM   #11
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Re: What I'm Realistically Looking For This Season

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Why the book posts, Bako? Why not release it in chapters?

Netflix approach.
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Old 05-11-2024, 08:43 PM   #12
 
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You are mixing up some details about Andrus Peat. He never failed at Left Tackle, he was drafted in 2015 after Terron Armstead was drafted in 2013 and became the starting Left Tackle in 2014. Armstead had a concussion and a hand injury in 2014 so maybe the front office felt they could have their cake and eat it too, taking Peat as insurance at Left Tackle but using him as a Right Tackle if Armstead stayed healthy. Instead, Peat just couldn't get the knack for playing Right Tackle and really struggled there. Eventually he shifted to Left Guard. I can't remember if he ever played Right Guard much. But instead of either bowing out or staying healthy, Terron Armstead was constantly suffering minor injuries. Peat filled in fairly admirably at Left Tackle when Armstead was out, but it probably hurt his development to be switching positions all the time. I view Peat as a cautionary tale not to spend a 1st round pick to draft a player to play out of position, as a backup plan, or for perceived theoretical positional flexibility. If you want to find a jack of all trades backup in the 5th round great, but you should look for stars in the 1st round, and most stars have honed their skills with great expertise at their natural position not playing musical chairs. Musical chairs is an egotistic novelty where the coaches try make themselves look brilliant and creative by putting players in a position that is likely to be bad for them and then taking credit on the rare occasions it isn't.

Anyway, Peat signed with the Raiders, so now you can feel good about 2/5ths of our oline.

Sure, scheme might cover some things, but if one oline completely misses his assignment, that scheme is going to be Derek Carr writing his wife and kids name on his hand to cover chronic brain injuries. Ultimately you don't pay great oline and great pass rushers big cash unless matchups matter, and they do. You know what scheme can cover? It could have covered not paying Cesar Ruiz $10 million plus a year to be perhaps one poppy seed or eye lash or dew drop more powerful than the average minimum salary journeyman oline. But I don't think it can cover that your only proven standout oline is McCoy and you have to hope a 1st rounder is ready to dominate now to give you a second, and the only guy who is not worried a dude on a forum who spent the entire offseason talking about how it takes young oline 5 extra years to develop these days because they are only allowed to read books about blocking written in Latin by priests in college these days.

My big questions are:

Will Carr get injured behind our questionable oline, continue to decline as a player much like many middle age mediocre QBs like Drew Bledsoe did at this time in their careers, hold steady and give us more of the same ups and downs, or somehow have a good year picking up where he left off against bad competition and low pressure the last few games and do it against good competition when we control our own destiny?

Will Kubiak be better or worse than Carmichael? Carmichael was a wizard when he was in the room with Sean Payton, but not when he became the offensive coordinator behind a lousy AFC West head coach fired for losing so many games (DA). So now we have Kubiak who is basically the same story in a different order, wizard when he was in the room with Kyle Shanahan, but not when he became the play caller behind a lousy AFC West head coach fired for losing so many games (Hackett). Hiring a young offensive coordinator like Kubiak made sense, but Carmichael, Hackett, and Allen were all once young too. Hopefully this is a situation where a fool strikes gold again, like when Haslett hired Mike McCarthy.

Will there be any pass rush? Chase Young had surgery immediately after signing and has a contract structure and past injury history that screams "I might not actually play much, who knows?" Rosies are confident Cam Jordan will bounce back, but he is at an age where the opposite is much more likely. Our draft pick DE from last year looked like a bust. Demario Davis is a year older.

Will the Falcons be better, or worse? The Falcons could be much better with a solid QB like Kirk Cousins, but Cousins is also coming off an ACL and is an older player. His backup tore the same ACL twice in college. Can you imagine the demoralization if the Falcons spent $180 million and the #8 overall pick at QB and their week 1 starter is Taylor Heineike. It could happen, week 1 or sometime after. The Falcons might be the mostly likely team in the division to win 12 games if everything goes right, but if it goes wrong they could be as or more likely than the Panthers to win 0 games. This matters a lot for the Saints. If things go wrong for the Falcons, the Saints could face the weakest division in NFL history with the two worst teams in the league and Saints and Bucs could both make the playoffs by sweeping the bottom half of their division, but would not likely dominate there.

Will the Saints find young stars? This is an old team. Even if we keep Lattimore, Kamara, Davis, Jordan, Ram, etc this year, the writing is on the wall for those guys. Unless Davis is going to open a DD56 supplement store in Manhattan he cannot continue to play at this level indefinitely. Kamara and Lattimore are old for their positions and its starting to show. Jordan and Ram are probably done. But you never know what can happen. Kool Aid could be better than anyone imagines. Some random late round pick could bust out. For the future, we need those things to happen. We also need to move on from more of these aging players, and having cheap alternatives will help with that. Maybe even Rattler. It will never get cheaper to move on from Carr, because if we don't move on we will likely restructure his contract which will make it move expensive to move on later than it appears now if you don't factor in a restructure.

NowI think this is a legit question. He was in the room with Kyle Shannahan, but the year before that he was in the room with Nathaniel Hackett and a historically bad Broncos offense.
I guess we're fixing to find out... isn't it fun? As always, we all feel overly optimistic after a draft and UDFAs. Something about this class feels different. And it's not just The Bayou Rattler. Maybe it's hopium. Maybe it won't be.
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Old 05-12-2024, 11:20 AM   #13
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I expect the troll to return. Bingo!

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Old 05-12-2024, 12:06 PM   #14
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I guess we're fixing to find out... isn't it fun? As always, we all feel overly optimistic after a draft and UDFAs. Something about this class feels different. And it's not just The Bayou Rattler. Maybe it's hopium. Maybe it won't be.
We definitely had a better draft than the Falcons, who spent their high pick on QB and came out lacking depth at QB because all they have is a 35yo coming off an ACL and an unproven rookie who tore the same ACL twice in college and was projected to be a 2nd round pick.
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Old 05-12-2024, 02:58 PM   #15
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Continuity on the Oline.

You fix that, you’ll always have a chance.
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Old 05-12-2024, 03:26 PM   #16
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Continuity on the Oline.

You fix that, you’ll always have a chance.
Right on brother! There is a chance that with some real coaching these guys could get the job done. Especially, since we are going to be an attacking run first offense. Set the tone baby!
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Old 05-13-2024, 09:03 AM   #17
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The Saints have the most talented roster in the division. Kubiak's scheme will help the offense in massive ways. Carr is going to have a Pro Bowl season. The defense is legit. The Eagles are loaded by I don't have confidence in them pulling it all together. I believe the 49ers are going to take a step backwards. I can see the Saints winning the NFC. Shocking the world AGAIN and beating the greatest QB playing and winning its second Super Bowl.
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The Saints have the most talented roster in the division. Kubiak's scheme will help the offense in massive ways. Carr is going to have a Pro Bowl season. The defense is legit. The Eagles are loaded by I don't have confidence in them pulling it all together. I believe the 49ers are going to take a step backwards. I can see the Saints winning the NFC. Shocking the world AGAIN and beating the greatest QB playing and winning its second Super Bowl.
Seems totally plausible to me.

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Old 05-13-2024, 11:46 AM   #19
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The Saints have the most talented roster in the division. Kubiak's scheme will help the offense in massive ways. Carr is going to have a Pro Bowl season. The defense is legit. The Eagles are loaded by I don't have confidence in them pulling it all together. I believe the 49ers are going to take a step backwards. I can see the Saints winning the NFC. Shocking the world AGAIN and beating the greatest QB playing and winning its second Super Bowl.
I wish I was confident enough in our oline to believe that some of them could take a step backwards before being knocked off their feet. How a QB who has never won a playoff game and a coach who has beaten something like two or three winning teams in a 5 year career are going to combine with an extremely makeshift oline where that QB has minimum protection to rely on scheme to get that QB a pro bowl season and win 3-4 straight playoff games, well, it seems highly improbably to me. Why would a QB who has been in the league what 11 years have by far his most consistent season behind the worst oline he has ever played behind? Are offensive linemen just coming into the league a lot more polished and ready to start than ever before and the draft pick will be so good he can cover two rushers while switching to left tackle?

Would you care to also promise that Ryan Ramczyk is going to play 17 games and make the all pro team?
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Old 05-13-2024, 12:54 PM   #20
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I wish I was confident enough in our oline to believe that some of them could take a step backwards before being knocked off their feet. How a QB who has never won a playoff game and a coach who has beaten something like two or three winning teams in a 5 year career are going to combine with an extremely makeshift oline where that QB has minimum protection to rely on scheme to get that QB a pro bowl season and win 3-4 straight playoff games, well, it seems highly improbably to me. Why would a QB who has been in the league what 11 years have by far his most consistent season behind the worst oline he has ever played behind? Are offensive linemen just coming into the league a lot more polished and ready to start than ever before and the draft pick will be so good he can cover two rushers while switching to left tackle?

Would you care to also promise that Ryan Ramczyk is going to play 17 games and make the all pro team?
The best defense that Carr ever had with the Raiders was ranked 25th in the league. Most years they were among the two or three worst. Carr easily played well enough to make the playoffs and win multiple games almost every year had he even an average defense.
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