LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process

WW_Who_Dat · 06-06-2024, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

As of May 2024 Saints Win/Loss record

412 Wins
468 Losses

...... below 500; me thinks that is indicative of a losing team, no?

Benson bought the team in 1995.

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

Not defending anybody just stating the facts.

mapcow · 06-07-2024, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Benson bought the team in 1995.

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

Not defending anybody just stating the facts.

Fact is, the Saints have an overall losing record, regardless of ownership, or management.... having a mediocre team will NOT improve the factual stat.

468 losses
412 wins

Sinner · 06-07-2024, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Fact is, the Saints have an overall losing record, regardless of ownership, or management.... having a mediocre team will NOT improve the factual stat.

468 losses
412 wins

“Winning championships is not the goal”

~ Quido

Rugby Saint II · 06-08-2024, 01:05 PM

We host the Super bowl again in 2025. There's a reason that the Super Dome is hosting the Championship game again. The city is a bucket list for a lot of folks who have never been to New Orleans and is a travel destination for foreigners who travel abroad.

The Dome is well respected in the NFL and the updates have kept her updated and modern. She's a classy/beautiful old girl.

BakoSaint · 06-08-2024, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Benson bought the team in 1995.

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

Not defending anybody just stating the facts.

But under DA the Saints have had one losing season and one 9-8 thanks to a historically easy schedule season. One cannot emphasize strongly enough how easy the 2023 Saints schedule was. I believe it was a top 3 easy schedule for any team the last 20 years. With about 20 years and 32 teams thats 640 schedules of which the 2023 Saints had one of the 3 easiest. That puts the 2023 Saints schedule not just in the top 1% of easy scheduled, but the top 0.5% of easy schedules. Essentially the Saints have performed like a losing team both seasons of Dennis Allen's tenure, but were saved in 2023 by a scheduling miracle. If the Saints end 2024 with the easiest schedule in the league again, merely having the easiest schedule of 32 teams will just put the Saints in the top 3% of easy schedules, not the history making ease of 2023.

In addition, in order to achieve mediocre losing team level performance under Dennis Allen, the Saints have essentially spent more future dollars than any team in the league, since they played 2022 the most over the 2023 cap of any team in the league by far and 2023 the most over the 2024 cap of any team in the league by far. Loomis lovers will say this is just how we run our team, and it gives us an advantage, and the rest of the league is beginning to copy us, but if that were so, it would imply that given a league leading financial advantage, DA still has a losing record as Saints HC, which should make DA even worse in their book than mine. Did the Saints get under the cap in the end, sure, but the Saints have been living month to month on the credit card and making the minimum payments and balance transfer offers to juggle the debt, and what that has achieve is 7-10 and a historically anomalous 9-8.

The Saints success under Brees and Payton cannot be denied, but when you consider strength of schedule and spending, the Saints under Dennis Allen are not 'pretty darn good' as your 'only one losing season' paints the picture. Also Dennis Allen has 5 seasons under his belt with 0 playoff appearances and Derek Carr has 10.

When I hear Dennis Allen speak I would hire him as an accountant. He seems competent and serious enough. He knows the X's and O's. Mickey Loomis' background is accounting, so he is not used to big personalities or a lot of noise, and at times Sean Payton probably rubbed him the wrong way. But the thing is, there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL and only 5-10 who have what it takes to be exceptional, and you can't just be competent and serious you have to be extraordinary, a leader, maybe a big personality, maybe extraordinary genuine and intuitive socially, maybe the relentless general, maybe the mad creative genius, but you can't be the accountant, you can't be just the competent serious guy without a lot of any form of social skills, leadership, creativity, vision, OR accountability. You have to bring something extraordinary. Players have to love you, fear you, admire you, or be awed by you, they can't just kind of respect that you are this colleague with a corner office who did pretty good in a lesser role and seems to know some things and probably would not get them audited.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2024, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

But under DA the Saints have had one losing season and one 9-8 thanks to a historically easy schedule season. One cannot emphasize strongly enough how easy the 2023 Saints schedule was. I believe it was a top 3 easy schedule for any team the last 20 years. With about 20 years and 32 teams thats 640 schedules of which the 2023 Saints had one of the 3 easiest. That puts the 2023 Saints schedule not just in the top 1% of easy scheduled, but the top 0.5% of easy schedules. Essentially the Saints have performed like a losing team both seasons of Dennis Allen's tenure, but were saved in 2023 by a scheduling miracle. If the Saints end 2024 with the easiest schedule in the league again, merely having the easiest schedule of 32 teams will just put the Saints in the top 3% of easy schedules, not the history making ease of 2023.

In addition, in order to achieve mediocre losing team level performance under Dennis Allen, the Saints have essentially spent more future dollars than any team in the league, since they played 2022 the most over the 2023 cap of any team in the league by far and 2023 the most over the 2024 cap of any team in the league by far. Loomis lovers will say this is just how we run our team, and it gives us an advantage, and the rest of the league is beginning to copy us, but if that were so, it would imply that given a league leading financial advantage, DA still has a losing record as Saints HC, which should make DA even worse in their book than mine. Did the Saints get under the cap in the end, sure, but the Saints have been living month to month on the credit card and making the minimum payments and balance transfer offers to juggle the debt, and what that has achieve is 7-10 and a historically anomalous 9-8.

The Saints success under Brees and Payton cannot be denied, but when you consider strength of schedule and spending, the Saints under Dennis Allen are not 'pretty darn good' as your 'only one losing season' paints the picture. Also Dennis Allen has 5 seasons under his belt with 0 playoff appearances and Derek Carr has 10.

When I hear Dennis Allen speak I would hire him as an accountant. He seems competent and serious enough. He knows the X's and O's. Mickey Loomis' background is accounting, so he is not used to big personalities or a lot of noise, and at times Sean Payton probably rubbed him the wrong way. But the thing is, there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL and only 5-10 who have what it takes to be exceptional, and you can't just be competent and serious you have to be extraordinary, a leader, maybe a big personality, maybe extraordinary genuine and intuitive socially, maybe the relentless general, maybe the mad creative genius, but you can't be the accountant, you can't be just the competent serious guy without a lot of any form of social skills, leadership, creativity, vision, OR accountability. You have to bring something extraordinary. Players have to love you, fear you, admire you, or be awed by you, they can't just kind of respect that you are this colleague with a corner office who did pretty good in a lesser role and seems to know some things and probably would not get them audited.

Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

Sinner · 06-08-2024, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

Oh yes you did. LMFAO!!!

mapcow · 06-11-2024, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

Liar :beatnik;

06-06-2024, 06:43 PM	#71
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process Originally Posted by mapcow As of May 2024 Saints Win/Loss record 412 Wins 468 Losses ...... below 500; me thinks that is indicative of a losing team, no? Benson bought the team in 1995. Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM Wins Losses Pct 203 152 .571% Since 2006 … Wins Losses Pct 175 116 .601% Since 2006 … Wins Losses Pct 175 116 .601% 6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons. 5 under SP 1 under DA Not defending anybody just stating the facts. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

06-07-2024, 09:30 AM	#72
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Benson bought the team in 1995. Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM Wins Losses Pct 203 152 .571% Since 2006 … Wins Losses Pct 175 116 .601% Since 2006 … Wins Losses Pct 175 116 .601% 6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons. 5 under SP 1 under DA Not defending anybody just stating the facts. Fact is, the Saints have an overall losing record, regardless of ownership, or management.... having a mediocre team will NOT improve the factual stat. 468 losses 412 wins Sinner and K Major like this.
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06-07-2024, 10:21 AM	#73
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process Originally Posted by mapcow Fact is, the Saints have an overall losing record, regardless of ownership, or management.... having a mediocre team will NOT improve the factual stat. 468 losses 412 wins “Winning championships is not the goal” ~ Quido
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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Benson bought the team in 1995. Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM Wins Losses Pct 203 152 .571% Since 2006 … Wins Losses Pct 175 116 .601% Since 2006 … Wins Losses Pct 175 116 .601% 6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons. 5 under SP 1 under DA Not defending anybody just stating the facts. But under DA the Saints have had one losing season and one 9-8 thanks to a historically easy schedule season. One cannot emphasize strongly enough how easy the 2023 Saints schedule was. I believe it was a top 3 easy schedule for any team the last 20 years. With about 20 years and 32 teams thats 640 schedules of which the 2023 Saints had one of the 3 easiest. That puts the 2023 Saints schedule not just in the top 1% of easy scheduled, but the top 0.5% of easy schedules. Essentially the Saints have performed like a losing team both seasons of Dennis Allen's tenure, but were saved in 2023 by a scheduling miracle. If the Saints end 2024 with the easiest schedule in the league again, merely having the easiest schedule of 32 teams will just put the Saints in the top 3% of easy schedules, not the history making ease of 2023. In addition, in order to achieve mediocre losing team level performance under Dennis Allen, the Saints have essentially spent more future dollars than any team in the league, since they played 2022 the most over the 2023 cap of any team in the league by far and 2023 the most over the 2024 cap of any team in the league by far. Loomis lovers will say this is just how we run our team, and it gives us an advantage, and the rest of the league is beginning to copy us, but if that were so, it would imply that given a league leading financial advantage, DA still has a losing record as Saints HC, which should make DA even worse in their book than mine. Did the Saints get under the cap in the end, sure, but the Saints have been living month to month on the credit card and making the minimum payments and balance transfer offers to juggle the debt, and what that has achieve is 7-10 and a historically anomalous 9-8. The Saints success under Brees and Payton cannot be denied, but when you consider strength of schedule and spending, the Saints under Dennis Allen are not 'pretty darn good' as your 'only one losing season' paints the picture. Also Dennis Allen has 5 seasons under his belt with 0 playoff appearances and Derek Carr has 10. When I hear Dennis Allen speak I would hire him as an accountant. He seems competent and serious enough. He knows the X's and O's. Mickey Loomis' background is accounting, so he is not used to big personalities or a lot of noise, and at times Sean Payton probably rubbed him the wrong way. But the thing is, there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL and only 5-10 who have what it takes to be exceptional, and you can't just be competent and serious you have to be extraordinary, a leader, maybe a big personality, maybe extraordinary genuine and intuitive socially, maybe the relentless general, maybe the mad creative genius, but you can't be the accountant, you can't be just the competent serious guy without a lot of any form of social skills, leadership, creativity, vision, OR accountability. You have to bring something extraordinary. Players have to love you, fear you, admire you, or be awed by you, they can't just kind of respect that you are this colleague with a corner office who did pretty good in a lesser role and seems to know some things and probably would not get them audited. Sinner likes this.
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06-08-2024, 05:29 PM	#76
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process Originally Posted by BakoSaint But under DA the Saints have had one losing season and one 9-8 thanks to a historically easy schedule season. One cannot emphasize strongly enough how easy the 2023 Saints schedule was. I believe it was a top 3 easy schedule for any team the last 20 years. With about 20 years and 32 teams thats 640 schedules of which the 2023 Saints had one of the 3 easiest. That puts the 2023 Saints schedule not just in the top 1% of easy scheduled, but the top 0.5% of easy schedules. Essentially the Saints have performed like a losing team both seasons of Dennis Allen's tenure, but were saved in 2023 by a scheduling miracle. If the Saints end 2024 with the easiest schedule in the league again, merely having the easiest schedule of 32 teams will just put the Saints in the top 3% of easy schedules, not the history making ease of 2023. In addition, in order to achieve mediocre losing team level performance under Dennis Allen, the Saints have essentially spent more future dollars than any team in the league, since they played 2022 the most over the 2023 cap of any team in the league by far and 2023 the most over the 2024 cap of any team in the league by far. Loomis lovers will say this is just how we run our team, and it gives us an advantage, and the rest of the league is beginning to copy us, but if that were so, it would imply that given a league leading financial advantage, DA still has a losing record as Saints HC, which should make DA even worse in their book than mine. Did the Saints get under the cap in the end, sure, but the Saints have been living month to month on the credit card and making the minimum payments and balance transfer offers to juggle the debt, and what that has achieve is 7-10 and a historically anomalous 9-8. The Saints success under Brees and Payton cannot be denied, but when you consider strength of schedule and spending, the Saints under Dennis Allen are not 'pretty darn good' as your 'only one losing season' paints the picture. Also Dennis Allen has 5 seasons under his belt with 0 playoff appearances and Derek Carr has 10. When I hear Dennis Allen speak I would hire him as an accountant. He seems competent and serious enough. He knows the X's and O's. Mickey Loomis' background is accounting, so he is not used to big personalities or a lot of noise, and at times Sean Payton probably rubbed him the wrong way. But the thing is, there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL and only 5-10 who have what it takes to be exceptional, and you can't just be competent and serious you have to be extraordinary, a leader, maybe a big personality, maybe extraordinary genuine and intuitive socially, maybe the relentless general, maybe the mad creative genius, but you can't be the accountant, you can't be just the competent serious guy without a lot of any form of social skills, leadership, creativity, vision, OR accountability. You have to bring something extraordinary. Players have to love you, fear you, admire you, or be awed by you, they can't just kind of respect that you are this colleague with a corner office who did pretty good in a lesser role and seems to know some things and probably would not get them audited. Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

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